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  1. #1731
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rikizza View Post
    But i like white mage and i didnt feel like it thought me wrong stuff, i have all the healers and i feel they are all different in their own ways. c:
    I mean you asked

    WHM plays the most distinctively of the 4 healers and in a way that doesn’t teach the other healers well at low levels

    If you learn any of the other 3 you can easily extrapolate to the other 2, WHM you basically have to learn independently at low levels and being the only healer accessible at level 1 it teaches a lot of people bad habits
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  2. #1732
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    Pepper Oni
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    Warrior is the strongest, yet least interesting job in the game. And is the biggest contributor to tank homogenisation and powercreep because of it's playerbase.
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  3. #1733
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    SE are cowards and we help cause it.
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  4. #1734
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    Purrsephone Nyx
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    I mean you asked

    WHM plays the most distinctively of the 4 healers and in a way that doesn’t teach the other healers well at low levels

    If you learn any of the other 3 you can easily extrapolate to the other 2, WHM you basically have to learn independently at low levels and being the only healer accessible at level 1 it teaches a lot of people bad habits
    Yeah i asked? I didnt dissaprove of your answer i just gave my opinion too, which was I never felt it was harder to learn the other healers even though i started with white mage myself. I just thought they were all different and learned them.
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  5. #1735
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    Alondite Ragnell
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    Midgardsormr
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by GoatOfWar View Post
    Warrior is the strongest, yet least interesting job in the game. And is the biggest contributor to tank homogenisation and powercreep because of it's playerbase.
    There are design points of WAR that I think are really cool, like Infuriate allowing you to force crit heals or Thrill of Battle in general. Defensively I'd want it to lean into more of that for the job.
    But offensively.....WAR feels like a job they stopped innovating on like 2+ expansions ago and instead just started giving it every tool other tanks already had.

    Like even things like Primal Rend which seem really cool at first just sorta end up feeling like the removed 4th and 5th fellcleave from when they put IR on stacks.
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  6. #1736
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    Not sure if it counts as a hot take, but I can see how it could be ...inconvenient for a lot of people.

    All jobs should be unlocked at 50, like SAM, RDM and BLU (assuming you have the appropriate expansion, of course). Yes, it would suck to level, say, Viper and Picto from lv50 instead of lv80, but it sucks even more for new players/alts to have to go all the way to the end of ShB to even unlock them at all, and it's not like the Ishgard jobs where their trainer location is locked behind the MSQ.
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    Last edited by Allegor; 05-16-2024 at 03:21 PM.

  7. #1737
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allegor View Post
    Not sure if it counts as a hot take, but I can see how it could be ...inconvenient for a lot of people.

    All jobs should be unlocked at 50, like SAM, RDM and BLU (assuming you have the appropriate expansion, of course). Yes, it would suck to level, say, Viper and Picto from lv50 instead of lv80, but it sucks even more for new players/alts to have to go all the way to the end of ShB to even unlock them at all, and it's not like the Ishgard jobs where their trainer location is locked behind the MSQ.
    I might even go lower and say level 30. All jobs must have their basics fleshed out as early as level 30, beginner classes, even lower at 15.

    But as we all know, PIC and VPR may even start at level 80... so I'm going to expect a lot of "interesting" runs for the first few weeks of DT.
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    Last edited by rawker; 05-16-2024 at 03:36 PM.

  8. #1738
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oizen View Post
    There are design points of WAR that I think are really cool, like Infuriate allowing you to force crit heals or Thrill of Battle in general. Defensively I'd want it to lean into more of that for the job.
    But offensively.....WAR feels like a job they stopped innovating on like 2+ expansions ago and instead just started giving it every tool other tanks already had.

    Like even things like Primal Rend which seem really cool at first just sorta end up feeling like the removed 4th and 5th fellcleave from when they put IR on stacks.
    Yeah, that's why i think it's the worst designed job in the game. Imagine having a burst phase where your rotation is basically that of a white mage. I mean, 8 Fell cleaves..
    Then there's also the fact that Warrior is actively harming the holy trinity by replacing healers, which is starting to leak into high end content.
    It just siphoned the life out of the tank role by taking over entire abilities that were previously unique to other tanks, and got entire job identities streamlined.
    Although, a large part of this is streamer bias. Streamers, who LOVE to downplay all the other advantages Warrior already has.
    It's sad to me that nobody saw an issue with SE buffing War's dps when it already ended up with the best version of every tank cooldown.
    They *Literally* went.. ''Let's put Aurora on both Equilibrium and Shake it off'' this expansion. Shake it off might as well be an OGCD Medica 2 at this point.
    Every time Warrior does slightly worse with a specific mechanic, they buffed it. Can't have Warrior struggle with bleeds!
    HoL and DM don't work for Harrowing hell, the hardest hitting partywide in the game? Yeah that's cool, tanks need to be different after all.

    I'm tired of this. Dark knight already has no advantage in any capacity over Warrior anymore, i don't want to feel like i'm picking the wrong tank just because one of them is arbitrarily allowed to have a monopoly on every tank niche. If the only difference between the tanks is going to boil down to.. ''Yeah this tank is worse than Warrior in x way'' you might as well make them all the same and turn them into animation packs.
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    Last edited by GoatOfWar; 05-16-2024 at 07:22 PM.

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