Crystal Tower raids should moved to Main Scenario Roulette

[Avidria]

No one plays the game to fill queues though. The game should be fun to play and ideally players should be able to participate in content that they enjoy even if they're also trying to get XP. It's not a bad thing that people want choice in how they level. That is just how things should be and I don't understand why people want to argue against a good thing. Also remember that roulettes do give you choice because there is more than one roulette. If filling queues was all that mattered there would only be one roulette and you'd not actually have any choice. It's not like it can't be done since mentor roulette is that roulette. More roulette options is consistent with how the game works already. It's not something new.

I'd just like to throw out there that CT series raids also had 1-3 hour queues before they added alliance roulette. Like it probably wouldnt go back to being quite that bad if it got kicked out of the roulette, given that it is required, but like... it also used to take forever and a day to do because nobody was doing it.

And like personally i never queue for msq roulette because i dont want to deal with the cutscenes in the other dungeons there so i at least would simply continue to not do so if they moved CT into that roulette instead.

[PyurBlue]

Your personal reasons for playing are not relevant for the purpose of Roulette. It literally exists to encourage more people to do the content to help new players have enough bodies to progress their game. That's it, full stop. The fat XP bonus is there for your inconvenience.

Multiple types of roulettes exist because different types of content with (typically) very different expectations and technical requirements exist. IE if there was only 1 roulette, 4 man dungeons would constantly run and you'd never get 24 people to do raids.

The roulettes are designed to fill queues, but they are part of the game which is meant to be entertainment. It is valid to ask that the game is better at that, and the request doesn't conflict with filling queues. In essence I'm trying to ask that the queue filling system is improved.

The separation of roulettes by content with different requirements also works here since CT is biased by its required status which reduces the frequency of other raids and also contributed to SE's decision to enforce a level lockout which just ends up preventing people from queuing while doing nothing to fix the roulette imbalance.

They fixed the cheese and people are still not happy. it's a 24 man raid and belongs with other duties of it's kind. It doesn't need a separate roulette and certainly doesn't belong in Main. Main scenario is for 4 people and has been adjusted accordingly with user feedback.

The cheese was never a problem. Making CT mandatory did more damage than people manipulating the roulette ever did and this was mentioned before the change was made.

I'd just like to throw out there that CT series raids also had 1-3 hour queues before they added alliance roulette. Like it probably wouldnt go back to being quite that bad if it got kicked out of the roulette, given that it is required, but like... it also used to take forever and a day to do because nobody was doing it.

And like personally i never queue for msq roulette because i dont want to deal with the cutscenes in the other dungeons there so i at least would simply continue to not do so if they moved CT into that roulette instead.

Removing CT from roulette entirely wouldn't make sense I agree, and I don't think adding them to MSQ is the best fix. Separating them shouldn't cause harm as they will still be popular with the people looking for low effort content while also being queued for by new players. I could be wrong but to me it's the perfect set of duties to set aside as its own roulette since there are at least two clearly divided camps when it comes to alliance raids. One wants the very simple level 50's and the other wants nothing to do with them. It will sort itself out.

[Acelyn]

The fact CT is needed to finish the story pretty much makes sure it will always fill up, also its in free content(trial) people will always queue up for it, its asking to be scuttled to its own place.

last time i signed up for roulette alliance labyrinth o the ancients popped and someone left instantly , then i thanked god and left also so no strike for me! queue'd again, world of darkness pops, someone leaves, i leave, wait a few minutes que up again and rabanastre pops, im happy, imho thats a bad look for newbie players, if i was new i would wonder why players are leaving content as soon as possible and taking a timer strike at that.

even if they never move them the least they could do is give everyone above level 50 their whole attack kit or whatever they have unlocked, just tone the attacks down, because right now it isnt just the fact ive been playing for 8 years and have seen CT more than my own family its the fact its boring af, give me my rotation, at least then i'd be able to practice muscle memory, or run beside a sprout rdm/smn and show off so they can see what the future holds.

[Fayt1203]

The cheese was never a problem. Making CT mandatory did more damage than people manipulating the roulette ever did and this was mentioned before the change was made.

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Yea sure it was never a problem

so over 10.000 times i got Ct with naked people they were not cheesing they were just misunderstood.
Cheesing was a problem (Before they fix it) not the only thing but still a problem but CT mandatory and the Shb relic's is another problem. then there is problem it the alliance roulette in it self, it should have the same function like some of the old roulette had back in the day that would lock u out of the roulette until u had unlock the required raid, that would fix some of the problem since not all players have unlock the other raids because they are not mandatory

[Saraide]

so over 10.000 times i got Ct with naked people they were not cheesing they were just misunderstood.

Doesnt mean those CT runs wouldnt have happened anyway. The game could only put those people there but that run could have been CT anyway for all the other possible reasons. This is why for many people the issue they had predictably wasnt fixed.

[Ravenblade1979]

Hot (and not at all new) take, perhaps, but even with the ilvl fix from way back when the Alliance Raids roulette has been dominantly CT. You have to unlock and do CT for Main Scenario, never have to touch any of the other raids and you still have access to the roulette which sucks. Why is this a thing? Why not just move it to Main Scenario and have Alliance be lv60 and up like Normal?

I wouldn't mind helping new players with the raids, but more often than not there are no first timers. We have 12 other fun raids with more on the way, please let me play them too. >:[

EDIT: where's the "be" in my title :'(

Move an alliance raids to msq scenario....no

[PyurBlue]

Yea sure it was never a problem

so over 10.000 times i got Ct with naked people they were not cheesing they were just misunderstood.
Cheesing was a problem (Before they fix it) not the only thing but still a problem but CT mandatory and the Shb relic's is another problem. then there is problem it the alliance roulette in it self, it should have the same function like some of the old roulette had back in the day that would lock u out of the roulette until u had unlock the required raid, that would fix some of the problem since not all players have unlock the other raids because they are not mandatory

You were put into CT because of new players the overwhelming majority of the time:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...330_days_more/

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...t#gid=56046874

Around 75% according to the one year of data recorded. Seeing people equip on entry also isn't a reliable way to determine if someone was manipulating the roulette, it could have simply been someone swapping classes before accepting the queue prompt. There is also no denying that the roulette will be biased toward CT just because it's the most accessible raid and is now mandatory.

Cheesing was never a real issue, it was just something that people noticed and inflated in importance, which unfortunately left the actual problems unsolved.

[Fayt1203]

Doesnt mean those CT runs wouldnt have happened anyway. The game could only put those people there but that run could have been CT anyway for all the other possible reasons. This is why for many people the issue they had predictably wasnt fixed.

that's why i said it was not the only problem

[Fayt1203]

You were put into CT because of new players the overwhelming majority of the time:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...330_days_more/

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...t#gid=56046874

Around 75% according to the one year of data recorded. Seeing people equip on entry also isn't a reliable way to determine if someone was manipulating the roulette, it could have simply been someone swapping classes before accepting the queue prompt. There is also no denying that the roulette will be biased toward CT just because it's the most accessible raid and is now mandatory.

Cheesing was never a real issue, it was just something that people noticed and inflated in importance, which unfortunately left the actual problems unsolved.

I understand that the are new players and as u know that at the start of the raid it will let people know that there are new players, and i also know that people are leveling other jobs, but i'm just telling through my own experience, i have gotten ct so often with 24 people that are way over level 60 that i have said and will keep on saying that item cheesing was a problem . but i will admit that the 10.000 could be overkill but it just has happen that often that i have lost count and i did said was not the only thing. and i am not buying that every people forget to equip from being naked to max gear seeing that u need be in the same gear that u que for the roulete unless they have change that

[DPZ2]

I was under the impression that Crystal Tower was at the head of the list for Alliance Raids popping since its inception back in A Realm Reborn. At least I remember Forum posts complaining about players 'cheating' their way into a quick raid by removing gear so that CT would pop up.

This was back in Heavensward. And again, in Stormblood. And, after it became a requirement, every other expansion.

So, it's not a new complaint, something that just started to happen in either Shadowbringers or Endwalker.