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  1. #1721
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    WaxSw's Avatar
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    Waxillium Larede
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    Twintania
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    WHM teaches all the wrong habits about modern healing design as it doesn’t get any oGCD’s till 50 and the first oGCD you get is benediction which to someone who doesn’t play healers feels like a panic button (even though it’s not)

    In the same level range a healer like SCH has access to the fairy, an AOE oGCD regen, an oGCD mitigation and healing amplifier and 3 charges of lustrate. Using your oGCD’s first and spending more time doing damage is what you should be doing as a healer

    Since WHM basically forces you to rely on cure 2 for 50 levels it ingrains all the wrong habits
    To add to this its also the healer with the worst mp economy in the early levels and its also the healer that unlocks its core mechanics the latest, unlocking lillies at lv52 (Ast gets draw at 30, Sch/Sge get fairy/kardia at 30 and aetherflow/gall at 45) and not being a complete system until lv74 with the unlock of misery
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    Quote Originally Posted by IttyBitty View Post
    Emnity management is a group responsibility, HP management is a group responsibility, Mitigation is a group responsibility ,DPS is a group responsibility
    Anybody saying "I only want to <x>" just tells me they are lazy and selfish.

  2. #1722
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    TheMightyMollusk's Avatar
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    Iyami Galvayra
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    Cactuar
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    But it gets the pretty unicorn!
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  3. #1723
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    Mimiji Miji
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    Exodus
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    Pictomancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    WHM teaches all the wrong habits about modern healing design as it doesn’t get any oGCD’s till 50 and the first oGCD you get is benediction which to someone who doesn’t play healers feels like a panic button (even though it’s not)

    In the same level range a healer like SCH has access to the fairy, an AOE oGCD regen, an oGCD mitigation and healing amplifier and 3 charges of lustrate. Using your oGCD’s first and spending more time doing damage is what you should be doing as a healer

    Since WHM basically forces you to rely on cure 2 for 50 levels it ingrains all the wrong habits
    Just gonna repost this hot take here:

    Quote Originally Posted by Mimilu View Post
    SCH should get its own starting class (or get ACN and give SMN a new class); it would give new players a second healer option to start out as and it's not like it keeps any of its old ACN gameplay (for what little it had). ( ಠωಠ)
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  4. #1724
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    Supersnow845's Avatar
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Mimilu View Post
    Just gonna repost this hot take here:
    I 100% agree, either that or just make ACN a half half class that can queue as either role

    Just make carbuncle cast a weaker embrace when set to guard if you queue as a healer spec then that + physick is plenty for the first 30 levels till you get SCH
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  5. #1725
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    HikariKurosawa's Avatar
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    Hikaru Kurosawa
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    Ultros
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    Dragoon Lv 95
    "This game has a homogenization issue between jobs"
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  6. #1726
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    Dr Yeol
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    Ragnarok
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    Fisher Lv 100
    It's about time Yoshi P steps down from FF14.
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  7. #1727
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    AnimaAnimus's Avatar
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    Cynric Zerr
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    Sargatanas
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    Red Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Yeol View Post
    It's about time Yoshi P steps down from FF14.
    I've been saying this since SB. He was very very good at rebooting the game, but many of the decisions made since then have been confusing. He is trying to sell himself to us as a fellow gamer, but the longer things go the more apparent it is he is just another suit with some fancy rings. Between all the things that come out half baked and are never fixed or completely abandoned, ignoring both minor and major issues players have been asking about for years, to the way classes and combat are handled, and whether you like it or not, there are real issues with the direction the story went.

    We need someone with fresh eyes and a new perspective who are not stuck in such a completely resolute mindset that they just cannot see or accept when something is done poorly. Nothing is going to be perfect and not everything is going to be great or even good. But you need to learn from that and move on instead of doubling down and repeating the same mistakes over and over again.
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  8. #1728
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    Asako's Avatar
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    Asako Natsume
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    Lich
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    Warrior Lv 100
    To be fair the problem with WHM for the first 50 levels is most players can't do maths. Regen has 1500 potency and is less than half the cost of Cure 2 but people can't work this out because they don't read tool tips. Below 50 Regen makes most pulls obsolete.
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  9. #1729
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    Acelyn's Avatar
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    Acelyn Abattoir
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    Lamia
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by AnimaAnimus View Post
    I've been saying this since SB. He was very very good at rebooting the game, but many of the decisions made since then have been confusing. He is trying to sell himself to us as a fellow gamer, but the longer things go the more apparent it is he is just another suit with some fancy rings. Between all the things that come out half baked and are never fixed or completely abandoned, ignoring both minor and major issues players have been asking about for years, to the way classes and combat are handled, and whether you like it or not, there are real issues with the direction the story went.

    We need someone with fresh eyes and a new perspective who are not stuck in such a completely resolute mindset that they just cannot see or accept when something is done poorly. Nothing is going to be perfect and not everything is going to be great or even good. But you need to learn from that and move on instead of doubling down and repeating the same mistakes over and over again.
    Counterpoint, I hope Yoshi P stays with the game for as long as he wants, he has passion for it and i'd rather a person with that mentality leads it than someone who just focuses on one group and snatches the games spirit out.

    if ff14 was left in the hands of this forum or redditors(or a person with that mentality) it would become a numbers simulator, full of tryhards and probably die off within a year,

    What the man has pulled off is truly something, and sure, it takes time for him and the team to handle things but they do get around to it, the game exist in a state where someone who just wants to enjoy a solid story can have fun while at the other end overly serious raiders can have some cake too, thats frikkin hard to pull off, if they werent doing a solid job it wouldve died, look around at how many games fail to see my point.

    shoot, i dislike blu mages, i think the idea of a limited job is dumb BUT, once i see beyond myself i do get the point of what they are for, no one in the cap'n seat will make everyone playing this game happy no matter so i'll just stick with the guy who's made it last this long while dealing with the scourge of gamers.
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  10. #1730
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    Rikizza's Avatar
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    Purrsephone Nyx
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    Twintania
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    Dancer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    WHM teaches all the wrong habits about modern healing design as it doesn’t get any oGCD’s till 50 and the first oGCD you get is benediction which to someone who doesn’t play healers feels like a panic button (even though it’s not)

    In the same level range a healer like SCH has access to the fairy, an AOE oGCD regen, an oGCD mitigation and healing amplifier and 3 charges of lustrate. Using your oGCD’s first and spending more time doing damage is what you should be doing as a healer

    Since WHM basically forces you to rely on cure 2 for 50 levels it ingrains all the wrong habits
    But i like white mage and i didnt feel like it thought me wrong stuff, i have all the healers and i feel they are all different in their own ways. c:
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