Is anyone else hoping SMN keeps Resurrection?

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

I purely want casters (Red Mage included) to lose their Resurrection skills for two reasons:

• So we can stop having to turbo-nerf the damage of non-BLM due to Rez-tax
• So most player groups can stop looking at BLM everytime someone dies and think "if only you were SMN/RDM... shame", assuming they even allow them as the only Caster in their progression group

Before anyone tells me "but their identity", stop. If you see "raise mage" as an identity then I am sorry, either your job's design or your perception of it is incredibly flawed.

[Reldhir]

I hope they don't remove res from the casters lol. Infact, I wish theyd add more skills to more jobs that enabled them to salvage fights.

A lot of newer players may no have experienced this in the current age of dps check enrage, insta kill walls where you just brick your face against the wall if things dont go smoothly and try again. But! Back in the day, "walling" to reset after every non near perfect run was not a thing. You would struggle and crawl tooth and nail through the encounter. Sometimes... alot of the times it was a futile battle... but the rush of the struggle was there, the fight back from the brink. No one was thinking just neck yourself and rewind the clock. You would fight and fight and fight, and everytime you stumbled miraculously over the next hurdle your heart would beat just a little faster. Again, and again you'd beat the odds. No one is thinking "wall it" but then you'd get pressed again, back against the wall one lone soul, one lone hp remaining. Just before the end... the twinkle of resurrection... He's up! Suddenly a surge of hope flashes through the hearts of our incapacitated comrades. LB3! And in an instant the party roars back into life and the fight back from deaths door is real!

I'm not saying every encounter needs to be like this. But with everyone so inwardly focused on the individual, trying to min/max individual roles shedding skills they deem unnecessary to their hyper specific dps ideals. They lose the bigger picture of how it all fits, how it all feels playing as a group. We can all be little dps gremlins, mashing away, perfectly, our own individual rotations. Closing ourselves off to the rest of the party, "walling" and getting angry should someone dare to interupt that world.

But what we lose, my friends, is that already dwindling light of comradarie. We fight as 8 (sometimes 4) Don't be that guy that fights a team battle alone. Bring back the power of friendship trust in the heart of the c... ahem ignore that last bit.

[Valence]

I hope they don't remove res from the casters lol. Infact, I wish theyd add more skills to more jobs that enabled them to salvage fights.

A lot of newer players may no have experienced this in the current age of dps check enrage, insta kill walls where you just brick your face against the wall if things dont go smoothly and try again. But! Back in the day, "walling" to reset after every non near perfect run was not a thing. You would struggle and crawl tooth and nail through the encounter. Sometimes... alot of the times it was a futile battle... but the rush of the struggle was there, the fight back from the brink. No one was thinking just neck yourself and rewind the clock. You would fight and fight and fight, and everytime you stumbled miraculously over the next hurdle your heart would beat just a little faster. Again, and again you'd beat the odds. No one is thinking "wall it" but then you'd get pressed again, back against the wall one lone soul, one lone hp remaining. Just before the end... the twinkle of resurrection... He's up! Suddenly a surge of hope flashes through the hearts of our incapacitated comrades. LB3! And in an instant the party roars back into life and the fight back from deaths door is real!

I'm not saying every encounter needs to be like this. But with everyone so inwardly focused on the individual, trying to min/max individual roles shedding skills they deem unnecessary to their hyper specific dps ideals. They lose the bigger picture of how it all fits, how it all feels playing as a group. We can all be little dps gremlins, mashing away, perfectly, our own individual rotations. Closing ourselves off to the rest of the party, "walling" and getting angry should someone dare to interupt that world.

But what we lose, my friends, is that already dwindling light of comradarie. We fight as 8 (sometimes 4) Don't be that guy that fights a team battle alone. Bring back the power of friendship trust in the heart of the c... ahem ignore that last bit.

They'd need to revert back all the crap changes they made to the battle system in shb for this to ever happen again. Just giving more caster raises or whatever isn't gonna do anything within the current microcosm we live in, and it would just push the devs to introduce even more body checks to counter it.

But yes I do miss the scrappy based gameplay.

For once I agree with you. SMNs and RDMs thinking it's solely their job to raise people to "help" the healers when the healers didn't need help nor was it ever communicated that the casters should be raising are the most annoying kind of player right now.

This in my opinion stems a lot from back before ShB where it was actually a benefit for caster DPS to raise instead of the healers because of the different MP system and sometimes negative MP rotations (combined with heals). Mostly a Stormblood thing actually, because in HW SMN was starved for MP due to Ruin 3 outside of Trance, where in SB both SMN and RDM were totally fine even though RDM still had to keep an eye on it. It allowed healers to lose a bit of MP stress when letting the caster do the raising instead, even at the cost of a GCD of damage on their end.

[Doozer]

This in my opinion stems a lot from back before ShB where it was actually a benefit for caster DPS to raise instead of the healers because of the different MP system and sometimes negative MP rotations (combined with heals). Mostly a Stormblood thing actually, because in HW SMN was starved for MP due to Ruin 3 outside of Trance, where in SB both SMN and RDM were totally fine even though RDM still had to keep an eye on it. It allowed healers to lose a bit of MP stress when letting the caster do the raising instead, even at the cost of a GCD of damage on their end.

Well it's no longer a thing, so much like single-target Doton, they can stop now. People will complain that healers have nothing to do but then rip away one of the few things they can do because "I'm helping!!! It's on my hotbar so I will use it!!!"

As someone who heals a lot it's frustrating to have casters claim I need help with MP management when I never go below 70% under normal circumstances because of a funny button called Lucid Dreaming. And another funny button called Thin Air. It's never because we actually need help, either. If 3 or more people go down then it's worth it since we're out of Swiftcast, but they'll raise the person that died before I can click Raise but naturally after I use Swiftcast, wasting it. And then their own DPS is absolutely abysmal because they were too worried about doing the healers' job.

[Valence]

Well it's no longer a thing, so much like single-target Doton, they can stop now. People will complain that healers have nothing to do but then rip away one of the few things they can do because "I'm helping!!! It's on my hotbar so I will use it!!!"

As someone who heals a lot it's frustrating to have casters claim I need help with MP management when I never go below 70% under normal circumstances because of a funny button called Lucid Dreaming. And another funny button called Thin Air. It's never because we actually need help, either. If 3 or more people go down then it's worth it since we're out of Swiftcast, but they'll raise the person that died before I can click Raise but naturally after I use Swiftcast, wasting it. And then their own DPS is absolutely abysmal because they were too worried about doing the healers' job.

I was just saying where it comes from. It's similar to how people have continued to say that MCH was the hardest job by far in SB (when it wasn't that much anymore) because they still had HW MCH in mind, or how I still see to this day people thinking that provoke is just +1 at the top of the aggro table when since shb it has also added +2k (20k in stance) on top of it.

General ideas and concepts tend to stick for long even when they've outlasted their welcome.

[Doozer]

I was just saying where it comes from. It's similar to how people have continued to say that MCH was the hardest job by far in SB (when it wasn't that much anymore) because they still had HW MCH in mind, or how I still see to this day people thinking that provoke is just +1 at the top of the aggro table when since shb it has also added +2k (20k in stance) on top of it.

General ideas and concepts tend to stick for long even when they've outlasted their welcome.

Well, people can choose to learn how things are here in the future at any time. I'm not going to baby them because they refuse to remember it's no longer 2017 or whatever.

[Doozer]

Before anyone tells me "but their identity", stop. If you see "raise mage" as an identity then I am sorry, either your job's design or your perception of it is incredibly flawed.

For once I agree with you. SMNs and RDMs thinking it's solely their job to raise people to "help" the healers when the healers didn't need help nor was it ever communicated that the casters should be raising are the most annoying kind of player right now.

[Carin-Eri]

For once I agree with you. SMNs and RDMs thinking it's solely their job to raise people to "help" the healers when the healers didn't need help nor was it ever communicated that the casters should be raising are the most annoying kind of player right now.

Thankfully don't encounter that too often myself.

I mean, I only 'help' the Healers that way if they're playing Floor-Mage and they themselves need the Raise. Or, occasionally, when a Tank is down and the Healers don't seem to have noticed or are preoccupied.

[Doozer]

Thankfully don't encounter that too often myself.

I mean, I only 'help' the Healers that way if they're playing Floor-Mage and they themselves need the Raise. Or, occasionally, when a Tank is down and the Healers don't seem to have noticed or are preoccupied.

Oh absolutely, if the healers are dead or a huge chunk of people go down leading the healers (if they're even alive) to hardcast raise, then that's when a RDM can shine. Other times it's just main character syndrome rearing its ugly head.