Enmity Management, Do we want it back?

[Sazuzaki]

Small precision, tank stance before the changes was not an aggro stance, unlike what we have today. Sure it gave a 1.7 aggro multiplier on aggro generation, but it was nothing compared to the actual aggro combos. Tank stance was primarily a defensive stance, which is why it was not used at all in serious content. But the way you describe it could also make sense to me.

Ah that makes sense. If it were to make a come back, ideally it would be an aggro stance that boosts enmity accumulation and unlocks the enmity combo. You would still be encouraged to use the DPS stance as much as you can, but you would also be forced to swap to aggro stance to maintain enmity occasionally. This could actually be pretty interesting with the 2 min burst windows, as tanks would have to do the enmity combo at least once before bursting to make sure aggro doesn't get stolen during bursts. Could pose some other problems though, like tanks getting punished to spam enmity combos if one party member just happens to crit a lot.

[Mikey_R]

Could pose some other problems though, like tanks getting punished to spam enmity combos if one party member just happens to crit a lot.

The whole thing was more of a punishment for tanks, especially when there are several things that are outside of the tank's control. I have made several posts in this very topic about the issues posed by the old stance system. This post in particular I look at specifically how do you actually balance the enmity gain with DPS and how the gear level and skill levels of the tanks compared to the DPS affects this balance.

I know you have no experience with the old stance systems, however, it never worked how you are potentially envisioning it.

[Sazuzaki]

The whole thing was more of a punishment for tanks, especially when there are several things that are outside of the tank's control. I have made several posts in this very topic about the issues posed by the old stance system. This post in particular I look at specifically how do you actually balance the enmity gain with DPS and how the gear level and skill levels of the tanks compared to the DPS affects this balance.

I know you have no experience with the old stance systems, however, it never worked how you are potentially envisioning it.

Well it's not really me envisioning the old system, more of me envisioning how a new system could work. Valence already corrected me on what I thought stances were, and I was just talking about what a revised form could be. It's really nothing but a loose idea and personal preference of mine and not exactly how I thought the old system was like.

Based off what I've seen, aggro management always looked like a mixed bag. It was janky, but there are people who loved and hated that jank. Nonetheless, I personally think gutting and replacing it with what we have now was a bad decision. If we got a fun revised aggro system that still came with some of the jank you mentioned in the post you linked, I honestly wouldn't mind that if it meant abandoning the current aggro system. But that's just how I personally feel, and it's not like it's going to be added to the game. I just like the idea of a system that makes me feel like I'm actively protecting my party, but I could fail if I'm not aware of the different factors that play into it.

[Supersnow845]

The whole thing was more of a punishment for tanks, especially when there are several things that are outside of the tank's control. I have made several posts in this very topic about the issues posed by the old stance system. This post in particular I look at specifically how do you actually balance the enmity gain with DPS and how the gear level and skill levels of the tanks compared to the DPS affects this balance.

I know you have no experience with the old stance systems, however, it never worked how you are potentially envisioning it.

Supports benefitting or being punished for the performance of the others in their role in how these classes should work, just as how the DPSare punished by being bonked if they don’t press quelling strikes

I really don’t understand what the obsession with a full party being 8 people who don’t interact at all with each other and all just vaguely wail on the same boss is

As a support I actively want to be punished if my party is garbage, it’s how I can show my skill that I can pull a bad party back