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    One thing that I don’t think gets bought up enough with healers amongst the other 10,000 issues they have is that the modern healers don’t feel like classes a WOL would use

    Can any of us legit imagine meteor in the wedding cake gown AF gear throwing out UWU lily spells. We don’t even feel like WOL’s we feel like the actual WOL’s UWU cheer squad here to remind them of the power of friendship in their darkest hour

    How is it in a game that goes to such lengths to characterise what the WOL is they just utterly fail to make all classes feel like classes the WOL would actually play
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    One thing that I don’t think gets bought up enough with healers amongst the other 10,000 issues they have is that the modern healers don’t feel like classes a WOL would use

    Can any of us legit imagine meteor in the wedding cake gown AF gear throwing out UWU lily spells. We don’t even feel like WOL’s we feel like the actual WOL’s UWU cheer squad here to remind them of the power of friendship in their darkest hour

    How is it in a game that goes to such lengths to characterise what the WOL is they just utterly fail to make all classes feel like classes the WOL would actually play
    It really isn't hard to make a more masculine/gender neutral healer artifact set. This is just a recoloring of Robin in Super Smash Bros, but case-and-point:


    I could absolutely see Meteor in something like that and it not look out-of-place. Like, this example isn't even all that detailed. And for magic, he doesn't need to be spinning around and doing angelic poses to cast spells. And not every depiction of magic needs to be directly representative of something in-game. Potentially having a moment where he calls down a judgement ray can look very powerful and not all that feminine. The only thing I think would be Afflatus Misery would probably want to be represented since it's sort of the heart of White Mage's style, but you could have it not be used in battle even. Maybe you could have a scene invovling purifying land in some way, if that ends up being a part of that expansions story, where Afflatus Misery is used to purge some sort of pollution or corruption off something like a tree or whatnot that's relevant to the plot, and then pan over to show Meteor in a more adventure-inspired White Mage look.

    The funny thing is none of this really requires a difficult amount of creativity or out of the box thinking, but just requires the team to see White Mage or healers in general as anything other than dainty ballgown damsels in distress that clench their eyes and yell "YAMETE!" every time they need to cast a DPS spell.
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    Sage has failed to live up to the fantasy of a sci-fi DPS healer. Please change this for 8.0. Make Sage fast, exciting, and aggressive. It should feel like a healer that plays like a DPS. Empower the aspects of Sage's unique healing mechanics: Kardia and Eukrasia to give its healing playstyle more identity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ty_taurus View Post
    It really isn't hard to make a more masculine/gender neutral healer artifact set.
    Its not as if they don't know how.

    AST is a perfect example until Shb:

    HW



    SB



    Hell even SCH looks fairly gender neutral if you replace all of the skirts on female with pants.

    They just see healer as the stereotypical women's role and thus design it that way.

    ...Y'know DESPITE how CNJ's mentor is male (E-Sumi Yan).

    Or SCH's (both Alka Zolka and Suito Curito).

    Or even AST's (Jannequinard and Kyokuho).
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    I'm tired of being told to wait for post-patches and expansions for fixes and increased healing requirements that are never coming. Healers are not fun in all forms of content like all jobs should be, they're replaced by tanks and dps due to low healing requirements and their dps kit is small for 0 reason, when in the past we had more options and handled things just fine. I refuse to play healer in roulette come DT. I refuse to heal EXs, I refuse to go into Savage, and I am boycotting Ultimate.

    #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

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    Quote Originally Posted by ASkellington View Post
    ...Y'know DESPITE how CNJ's mentor is male (E-Sumi Yan).

    Or SCH's (both Alka Zolka and Suito Curito).

    Or even AST's (Jannequinard and Kyokuho).
    Or how the only scions that heal are men: Alphinaud, Urianger, and G'raha. After seeing the DPS side, Y'shtola only agrees to heal if there are literally no other candidates who can. And does so by performing her Sorceress/Black Mage rotation anyway.
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    Sage has failed to live up to the fantasy of a sci-fi DPS healer. Please change this for 8.0. Make Sage fast, exciting, and aggressive. It should feel like a healer that plays like a DPS. Empower the aspects of Sage's unique healing mechanics: Kardia and Eukrasia to give its healing playstyle more identity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ty_taurus View Post
    Or how the only scions that heal are men: Alphinaud, Urianger, and G'raha. After seeing the DPS side, Y'shtola only agrees to heal if there are literally no other candidates who can. And does so by performing her Sorceress/Black Mage rotation anyway.
    Yeah I don't get it. I don't have an issue with it since my WoL is supposed to be a more effeminate man... but he's still A MAN. I have the option to slap on a robe and call it a dress (with some exceptions that I want but aren't gonna happen because of aformentioned gender differences in gear). I'd like for others who want more masculine healer clothing to have their options to.


    ...SO YoshiP allow us to glam regardless of class when?
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    I'm tired of being told to wait for post-patches and expansions for fixes and increased healing requirements that are never coming. Healers are not fun in all forms of content like all jobs should be, they're replaced by tanks and dps due to low healing requirements and their dps kit is small for 0 reason, when in the past we had more options and handled things just fine. I refuse to play healer in roulette come DT. I refuse to heal EXs, I refuse to go into Savage, and I am boycotting Ultimate.

    #FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE

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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    One thing that I don’t think gets bought up enough with healers amongst the other 10,000 issues they have is that the modern healers don’t feel like classes a WOL would use

    Can any of us legit imagine meteor in the wedding cake gown AF gear throwing out UWU lily spells. We don’t even feel like WOL’s we feel like the actual WOL’s UWU cheer squad here to remind them of the power of friendship in their darkest hour

    How is it in a game that goes to such lengths to characterise what the WOL is they just utterly fail to make all classes feel like classes the WOL would actually play
    Honestly, my WHM feels like a WoL - impressive casting animations. It's just that there aren't enough attacks to really feel like someone who would dominate a battlefield.
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