Can we have the hellhound gearset available to buy with Trophy Crystals?

[Boa-Noah]

I don't see why it's ok to abandon legacy players who actually put in the effort to play just so a few new players who have never even put in a single ranked game (despite there currently being exclusive ranked rewards right this very second that they can obtain) will play a gamemode in this game of which they expect to win a competitive reward from grinding afk crystals.

Legacy players? You're not a Legacy player for doing Feast, sorry not sorry, you're just someone that grinded PVP to get a special armor set, you have the same amount of prestige as your average Ultimate raider has except Ultimates are at least accessible content unlike Feasts (because no one like Feast.)

[Cynric]

My primary concern with this statement lies in the uncertainty surrounding the availability of those items. Many of them, including Feast rewards, were not explicitly confirmed to be permanently unobtainable. The situation was rather ambiguous, with no clear indication of whether they would resurface in future seasons. Furthermore, these rewards were not initially presented as time-limited; instead, they were abruptly removed from the game, much like the content related to the Diadem. Fortunately, titles and rewards associated with the Fold were preserved in our current system, preventing their loss to the passage of time.

As a holder of the Monster Hunter Slayer title earned from the original Diadem, I'm disheartened by the decision to render this title unobtainable. When I earned it, there was no indication that it would become unavailable; it was more a stroke of luck than a result of intentional grinding. In this scenario, it seems as though I've been rewarded for enduring the game's inadequacies, which is far from ideal. It's not the first time FFXIV has compensated players for enduring its shortcomings with exclusivity. The recurrence of this trend within FFXIV raises concerns about their design choices and decision-making abilities.

You are correct. This is an unfortunate instance of the design decisions from the past. When feast rewards were initially presented, I initially assumed that they would just rotate and rerun rewards in later seasons, and they just kind of never did. Due to this the feast rewards have become more akin to uniquely designed trophies.

That being said however,
I have no idea if they actually intended for them to ever be reran since we had 20 seasons without a single rerun, anytime they would've done a rerun, they recolored or remade the reward to be slightly different. So currently at least, no two rewards are exactly the same, even those that share models have a different color in some place or another.

They certainly had plenty of opportunities to do reward reruns especially during the later seasons. So it would stand to reason that they at least somewhat intended them to be unique rewards. Though as you say an official word on it would've been nice. Many people began stressing over rewards a lot when nothing ever reran.

You basically had one chance to earn a reward, and another chance to earn the recolor of that reward, except in a few cases. After those chances went by you couldn't obtain that reward anymore. While they never explicitly stated the system, this was repeated from 3.X to the end of 5.X.

As you say thankfully the fold achievements were brought over. I'm still regretting not trying to get my Eversharp bracelets while the Feast was live since those are also unobtainable now as well. I was super close to being done with the achievement too.

I used to be sad too about whenever someone would ask me where my armor came from and I had to tell them it wasn't obtainable anymore. Though I've missed things too and sometimes I guess you just can't have everything you want and you have to move on to getting things you can actually obtain.

[Commander_Justitia]

If they add old ranked rewards that new ranked players weren't around for, those new players will quit because.

This is your argument. That adding old rewards will make new players quit.

New players won't quit PvP, but it will make them quit PvP ranked mode. I don't think many old players did ranked PvP for "fun" per se, the same way many don't like wiping in ultimate 500 times. They are rather in it to see the fight to the end/to have high quality matches and the rewards that come with it. If you can obtain that another way, why bother? Old players already have it, so its a meaningless update for them, and new players can accumulate points over time instead of stressing themselves in ranked.

There are plenty of strong wow pvp players that came over to dominate ranked cc in ffxiv recently (ffxiv CC pvp is a joke in difficulty compared to other games)

I think even them would like a higher playerbase of skilled players, so matches are more "fun" and don't depend on who is getting the most inexperienced fresh diamond player in his team, which happens often I guess from my experience. I don't think WoW has such skillgaps in the same tiers.

Completely different country, game laws and values. Due to having a highly regulated allowance of playtime BY LAW and the general value of "everyone is a winner"

China...Communism something...xD



To the other replies - there are not only legacy items that are still unobtainable, introduced into the game before PvP. If we go by timeline they should come first I guess.
Regarding the benchmark - this was already the case in previous benchmarks, it was already an option then. They just didn't change it.

One odd thing is still, they changed the reward structure with CC, to counter the hated FOMO. But they added Series rewards that are seemingly not coming back either. Instead of timelimited ranked season they made a timelimited casual season? If it is really along a "battle pass", then it would have been better to let people pick the battle pass they want to progress, no matter at what time. There is no clarity on this, even now 2-3 years later.

[rofland]

finishing t100 should give you a token to trade for old t100 rewards or missed series BP stuff

[GTK0HLK]

finishing t100 should give you a token to trade for old t100 rewards or missed series BP stuff

So in short, bring back feast, and have the same issue as before. Except it's to force players into Ranked.

Who either don't want to be there.

and feed players into Ranked to feed the same players who enjoy it, or game it.


Better off to just expect better game modes, and Allow Region Wide PVP in order to fill the ranked queues.

Rather than Perpetuate the same problems as before.

If anything, just make it a Optional Ranked Series(That isn't time gated)

[Quuoooote]

So in short, bring back feast, and have the same issue as before. Except it's to force players into Ranked.

The core FOMO problem that existed in the Feast regarding the rewards would be entirely solved by making rewards available to earn in any given season, so no, the issue would not be the same as before. You could keep trying for the same specific armor set for multiple seasons in a row until you get it, and not be gated by falling short for the one specific season it ran like in the Feast era. This would also keep queues alive for many, many seasons as people grind for their desired reward(s) without being discouraged about it being time-gated forever.

I don't really understand why it's a problem that the game "forces" people to play Ranked to earn rewards, though. That's kinda the whole point — to reward people that are committed to earning it. I wouldn't want to see Ultimate weapons become welfare rewards for tomestones because players feel "forced" to queue into the raids to earn them. Reducing the existing prestige items to common vendorable fodder would also render the efforts of those who worked hard for them in the past completely moot and be a total spit in the face.

tl;dr: +1 in favor of Top 100 rewards being re-implemented as Top 100 rewards — I like to earn things in my MMO and feel tangibly rewarded for doing so.

[PotatoTree]

Legacy players? You're not a Legacy player for doing Feast, sorry not sorry, you're just someone that grinded PVP to get a special armor set, you have the same amount of prestige as your average Ultimate raider has except Ultimates are at least accessible content unlike Feasts (because no one like Feast.)

If you don't understand the difference on how Ultimates are PvE and Feast is competitive PvP then it's impossible for us to see eye to eye on this. The equivalent would be a new Ultimate group starts today blind, clears it in less than a day, and say they should get world first on fflogs because they technically cleared it faster, just that they weren't around when Ultimates released so they weren't able to compete.

Everyone can clear ultimates, but not everyone can get top 100. That is a fundamental difference.

[Boa-Noah]

Everyone can clear ultimates, but not everyone can get top 100. That is a fundamental difference.

And that's why old Feast rewards being locked off content is stupid, the hardest PVE content in the entire game doesn't get the special treatment Feast and old Feast players get for no reason, if everyone could play PVP to earn those old rewards it would at least be comparable, but it's not, how you don't understand that's a problem is beyond me.

[PotatoTree]

Competitive PvP is different than PvE. And I don't mean PvP where you're just grinding for crystals that you can trade in. All the suggestions here involving battle pass or trophy crystals do not understand that competing for a top 1, top 10, or top 100 spot is different.

The game mode could literally be as easy as checkers, but as long as there are a limited number of spots and there's skill involved, then the difficulty doesn't come from the game, it comes from the other players you are playing against.

That's why saying "the hardest PVE content" doesn't mean anything when compared to competitive pvp in any way.

As an example, I couldn't really care less about old BP rewards coming back, those rewards mean absolutely nothing. There is no difference between rewards like that and hitting a tree in the diadem for a mount. Top 100 rewards are completely different, and you are trying to bring those rewards down to the same level as a diadem grind.

[Boa-Noah]

Top 100 rewards are completely different, and you are trying to bring those rewards down to the same level as a diadem grind.

They're not different, both are pixels in a videogame and the only reason Feast rewards would be treated 'special' is the artificial rarity, most of which being from the fact that they're rewards from DEAD content. Anyone that thinks grinding at ranked PVP is more 'special' than throwing yourself at Ultimate prog are delusional honestly, both require time and effort and both are as accessible as each other, there's no reason Feast rewards should be a holy grail of untouchable perfection when Ultimate rewards are right there for any one at any time to work on.

Heck, the Porxie King which was a time-limited Japan ONLY promotion has 319 active accounts with it, Dreadnought which is the most widely owned Feast reward has a meager 126.

The Legacy only Goobbue awarded to 1.0 players has about 1,683 of them kicking around, about 13 times the people that completed Feast season 20, the Lone Hellhound from Feast season 3 is at a whopping 59, 28 times more people got the Legacy Goobbue compared to people who got top 100 in Feast season 3.

There is literally no reason on the planet that Feast rewards should be that rare except for the fact people that got their Feast glams would throw a RIOT if it was even vaguely accessible in any format.

I checked just to be sure but there are more billionaires on the planet than there are people with the Dreadnought...