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    Player Ardeth's Avatar
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    Peter Redhill
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    Halicarnassus
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    Bard Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Reinha View Post
    Yes, you are describing someone targeting another player just to maliciously bully them and spoil their game on purpose. That's not what BLUs are doing. Doing content with a class designed to excel at that content to get rewards out of that same content is not griefing. Just like playing an overpowered job in PvP and stopping other people from getting wins isn't griefing, it's how you get your own rewards. The same way spawning and engaging an S rank where a newbie is mining ore and gets killed, isn't griefing, because there is no malice behind it and it happens as a result of people playing open world content in the same space.

    In a competitive atmosphere, almost nothing can be considered griefing, and it becomes cheating more than anything. This is PvE. But willingly acting in a way that obstructs someone else's play can be. Sure, it has to be malicious, but I would argue you can see people struggling to keep up. They might even complain about it in chat. If you take that knowledge and still continue to nuke FATEs so you can get yours and screw everybody else, when does it become malicious? If you're the one struggling for whatever reason, maybe you don't have Blue leveled, or you don't want to be an jerk you tend to see that player interaction as negative at the very least. So, are you doing it maliciously to me? I would think so if it were me. Granted, I'm just swimming and not causing a bother, but at least to me, these players know what they're doing. They're griefing. If it was some miraculous accident, sure, but you'd have to be pretty disingenuous to believe that everyone who is nuking FATEs is innocent despite how it's affecting everyone else. And at that point, it's being done with intent. It's up to a person to person basis to see if there's any malice behind it, but if human nature is anything but predictable there's at least someone who's getting their rocks off ruining the experience of others which in that case by definition is griefing.

    But I'm not a rules lawer or a real one, so grain of salt, but to me, it's griefing if you willingly know and participate in doing it.
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    Last edited by Ardeth; 04-27-2024 at 08:01 AM.