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    Player Ardeth's Avatar
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    Guy Friedman
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinha View Post
    Sometimes during an A rank train there is so much congestion people's teleports start failing and people kill the A ranks in the next zone without waiting for those who were left behind. That's not griefing either. The people who did manage to move to the next zone are not preventing others from doing the content; the ones unable to teleport can hunt when there is less congestion or they can try to be faster. The exact same applies here.

    Complaining about missing out is valid, but missing out doesn't give someone the right to dictate how fast others are killing objectives for their own rewards. Trying to enforce a play style is against the rules.

    When does it become malicious? If you see BLUs killing fates and they aren't in need of xp, don't have a minion out and aren't wearing a Yokai watch, there is reason to suspect they are doing it to grief.
    Again, if you know what you're doing, it is negatively impacting others, which you would. People have been extremely vocal about their disdain for how those players have been acting. Again, you're trying to make it not griefing when any 5 year old would tell you it is.
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    Tatanpa Nononpa
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    If a BLU or three is going around one-shotting everything before other folks can get a hit in... maybe just ask them kindly if they don't mind waiting a moment for others? While I'm sure there's at least one discourteous BLU out there, I bet most would be willing to work with others.
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    Ymir Bombullshale
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    Quote Originally Posted by AmiableApkallu View Post
    If a BLU or three is going around one-shotting everything before other folks can get a hit in... maybe just ask them kindly if they don't mind waiting a moment for others? While I'm sure there's at least one discourteous BLU out there, I bet most would be willing to work with others.
    I have tried and when you do this you get a snarky reply back or a "git gud". They know what they're doing, it's on purpose.
    Getting people to whine and beg them to stop is the point of trolls like this. Getting people upset that they're going to miss out on rewards for the Yokai watch event is the point.
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    Last edited by VerdeLuck; 04-27-2024 at 06:37 AM.

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    Komi Shouko
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    Quote Originally Posted by VerdeLuck View Post
    I have tried and when you do this you get a snarky reply back or a "git gud". They know what they're doing, it's on purpose.
    Getting people to whine and beg them to stop is the point of trolls like this. Getting people upset that they're going to miss out on rewards for the Yokai watch event is the point.
    Can confirmed I asked blue mage not to os fate bosses and was told to "play blue mage" like great let me fix something that is a problem by becoming someone else problem.
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    Player Ardeth's Avatar
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    By definition, most griefing is by the use of in-game methods. Like blowing up people's stuff on a Minecraft server to insta killing and hoarding FATE progression. It's an absolutely toxic thing to do, but unfortunately, they aren't breaking any rules. They aren't playing in an unintended fashion. I see a lot of people hand waving it away because they don't want to be lumped into the griefing pile. I just find this whole event to be a microcosm of disingenuous people explaining away how they did nothing wrong. And they will continue to die on that hill anyway, so trying to make them believe that completely disrupting the gameplay of others isn't griefing, but they will. And SE can't really punish them because it's not explicitly against any T.O.S. So here we stand. We have time to do it.

    As Robert A. Caro said, "Power doesn’t corrupt, it reveals." These people were always griefing jerks. The event just made it apparent who they were.

    That's all I got.
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    Shara Dei-ji
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    I don't have a side in this argument, but I can say that within about 3 1 - 2 hour sessions over the week I've gotten all the minions and 3 weapons, so the sweaty blu groups are long finished with the event. I just went DRK and turned on tank stance. It's not bad at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yimiko View Post
    Seriously. Reporting is not harassing someone. You only have to report because they are harassing you.
    Abusing the report system is against tos too, and can be harassment.

    Most BLU, myself included doesn’t instakill everything. I bet most of the few that does just want to finish fast and you haven’t even asked them to stop.
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    Player Sesera's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sotaris View Post
    Abusing the report system is against tos too, and can be harassment.

    Most BLU, myself included doesn’t instakill everything. I bet most of the few that does just want to finish fast and you haven’t even asked them to stop.
    I did ask one to please stop OS boss fate I was told to play blue myself.
    Also imagine having to ask it in the first place.
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    It’s enough to just land 1-2 hydro pulls, white wind in might guard stance and you will get silver.
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    Mao Xifeng
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    Mao nots thinking is griefings but is poorly designed event if some jobs has much harder times than others participatings.
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