Can we have the hellhound gearset available to buy with Trophy Crystals?

[Bonoki]

Bonoki, not only do I simply do not care about your rigid stance on that matter (I changed mine a while ago), your complete and utter disregard for alternative obtainment methods (within ranked, as I described on page 1 and MANY other threads) of not only old, but also future top 100 rewards speaks volumes.

Frankly, to me it seems you simply don't care about ranked whatsoever, therefore I fail to see why your opinion on anything ranked related should even matter.

Oh, we're resorting to gatekeeping now, are we? Well, discussions with you are truly enlightening. I must have missed the memo where you were appointed supreme authority on all things PvP-related. Last time I checked, we weren't holding elections for the grand arbiter of opinions.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Oh, we're resorting to gatekeeping now, are we? Well, discussions with you are truly enlightening. I must have missed the memo where you were appointed supreme authority on all things PvP-related. Last time I checked, we weren't holding elections for the grand arbiter of opinions.

"Gatekeeping" says the person who literally said "I firmly believe that reintroducing new top 100 rewards into the game should remain out of consideration indefinitely". Hypocritical, don't you think?

I'm here with a stance of trying to bridge fresh players and veterans without making each other feel like they get the bad deal here. So keep your ad hominem "appointed supreme authority" sarcasm out of here.

[DrWho2010]

look up the debacle for the white raven earrings/manderville earings. nuff said.

[Boa-Noah]

What I am trying to say is that it is best implemented as a healthy middle ground between the old guard who wants to retain a modicum of the prestige and the new players who want to be encouraged to PvP. Ranked PvP is literally the best place for this, especially if you do this as I explained on page 1.

Again, your solution is to add an entirely new separate system JUST to justify your and other Feast players need to be special, why bother? Just add it to the current PVP system that works, people like it, it incentivizes play, if anything make ranked award more points than casual and boom you'll have more people playing ranked (not that it matters.) I really don't understand your viewpoint on this, you have the gear, clearly, you like the way it looks and you achieved something that was hard years ago, congrats, why do your feelings require a middle-ground in the first place?

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Again, your solution is to add an entirely new separate system JUST to justify your and other Feast players need to be special, why bother? Just add it to the current PVP system that works, people like it, it incentivizes play, if anything make ranked award more points than casual and boom you'll have more people playing ranked (not that it matters.) I really don't understand your viewpoint on this, you have the gear, clearly, you like the way it looks and you achieved something that was hard years ago, congrats, why do your feelings require a middle-ground in the first place?

I feel like I need to explain this better.

I am not here to create a system to justify "me and other feast players need to be special", I am here to hit a middle ground with something that is desirable and something that has been in dire straits for at least 8 seasons because there has been virtually zero reason to do it and all of you are perfectly okay with it, completely ignoring whether or not people would LIKE to step their foot into ranked AND not feel like they do it for ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

The current system incentivizes PvP in general and it works really good for what it does. What it does NOT do is incentivize doing ranked. Have you even looked at what you get for any of the skilltiers from Bronze to Crystal, completely disregarding Top 100 for a moment? 1000-6000 Trophy crystals and carbon copy Framer Kits season after season with the only difference being the season number.

There is absolutely no point increasing how many more points you are getting in Ranked because players will resort to path of least resistance. We have Wolfmarks and Trophy Crystals coming out of our ears from how much we are earning just for playing PvP because we like it, why the heavens would we want MORE?

I am asking for a middle ground not because I want my armour to remain special - I am asking for a middle ground because Ranked PVP in the western datacenters NEEDS HELP because it has NOTHING going for it and these rewards as an incentive with a ranked-only currency obtainable at all ranks would be THE BEST solution! What is so difficult to understand about this?!

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I mean, you should do PvP because you like PvP, not because you get something from it.



Imagine if they made Raid drops go away after the tier ended. or after the first 100 clears. People would go nuts. Why did PvP get that?



Also, its funny that theres only like, 2 die hard PvPers who come on here and say no.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

I mean, you should do PvP because you like PvP, not because you get something from it.

Imagine if they made Raid drops go away after the tier ended. or after the first 100 clears. People would go nuts. Why did PvP get that?

Also, its funny that theres only like, 2 die hard PvPers who come on here and say no.

I hear this comment every now and then. By your logic, why should roulettes have had the further and further increased tomestone and EXP rewards? Why are we complaining about Criterion having no rewards? Why are we arguing that we don't want to do other Alliance Raids but ARR because their rewards are not worth the time investment?

Are we really going to be this hypocritical and call exceptions for PvP and say "you should do PvP because you like pvp, not because of rewards"? You know, you should just do roulettes and raids for the fun, it should just have a colourless non-glamour gear and no mounts tied to it - in the most reward-driven community that is FFXIV.

The other argument "imagine if they made raid drops go away", another fallacy I have explained ad nauseam in other threads if people actually cared to look them up. Raids are not a competition, they are a static challenge with no variables other than the Dev team buffing/nerfing jobs a bit. There is literally no purpose in introducing a pvp-esque dynamic to a non-PvP mode. Ranked PvP has always been a competition, by definition if you intend to have a performance-based reward and a Top X per region, you need to close the gate after a certain point to define who won and who lost.

Also I truly hope you don't call me one of those PvPers because I have not been expressively "no", I have been "yes but can we get a good deal for both sides out of this".

[RyanCousland]

That's the only unobtainable thing that I want back, really. We have the hellhound weapons, the hellhound barding but the hellhound gearset is lost in time forever. If possible make it glowy like the weapons, something that you can spend by achieving high ranks in ranked CC.

if your suggesting with commendation crystals then i agree, but only if they rework the comm crystal system itself. as it stands rewarding people at just diamond doesnt help incentivize climbing in rank as much as it should/did. but if youre suggesting that it be just a 20k grind with regular crystals then i dont think that would be a good idea as it would basically make rank a grind fest and instead of possibly feeling some sense of accomplishment/pride in achieving a rank through effort, however i do think the more minor rewards (new or old) i.e. minions ,titles, ect(if there are any available) could be relegated to achievements and regular crystals.

[RyanCousland]

Again, your solution is to add an entirely new separate system JUST to justify your and other Feast players need to be special, why bother? Just add it to the current PVP system that works, people like it, it incentivizes play, if anything make ranked award more points than casual and boom you'll have more people playing ranked (not that it matters.) I really don't understand your viewpoint on this, you have the gear, clearly, you like the way it looks and you achieved something that was hard years ago, congrats, why do your feelings require a middle-ground in the first place?

the argument isnt about who does or doesnt feel special while im sure there are people who do have that mindset, its about incentivizing ranked cc so that more players engage with what is considered the "ultimate" version of PVP and in doing so makes the devs invest more into content that a section of players enjoy kinda like ultimate.

even though there are "cheaters" & hackers for ultimates it doesnt rob the ones who did it fairly and have a sense of accomplishment the same can be said for ranked, the difference is that ultimate isnt a grindfest that youre proposing and to make ranked rewards into a grinfest be it through battlepass or regular crystals devalues and deters people from engaging in a mode that is arguably not comparable to the other pvp modes and by extension should obviously reward differently but not by an increase in casual/common currency but rather a different metric altogether much like the comm crystals.

I highly encourage you to play ranked, and you'll get a better understanding of where the viewpoint is coming from.

[ZiraZ]

I like that idea of bringing back pvp rewards but only if they are brought back with the same(or similar) ranked acquisition they had before.