Reddit vs. the Forums in the Graphics War of '24

[Aravell]

Off the top of my head didn't they overhaul PvP, add a deep dungeon, and change the variant rewards based on player feedback? If nobody cares about those things why were there so many threads complaining about them?

I'd like to point out that there's no evidence they based any of those changes directly on player feedback. It's a lot more likely that they based it on general player sentiment.

PvP got overhauled because The Feast was barely alive and there's a lot of people who constantly complained about PvP being bad, so they made it casual and accessible, none of what they did was based off of feedback from people who actually still engaged in PvP.

A deep dungeon got added because a lot of people misses having one, but going by the EO feedback, the deep dungeon regulars didn't get a lot of their gripes addressed.

Criterion dungeon did get more rewards added, sure, but only in savage, and no one gave feedback asking for a tome weapon upgrade.

It's very likely they change things according to their interpretation of player sentiment without actually gathering and reading any of the feedback and suggestions.

[CidHeiral]

It's very likely they change things according to their interpretation of player sentiment without actually gathering and reading any of the feedback and suggestions.

How would they know the sentiment without reading the feedback?

Like she pointed out PVP got a change but they never went around and asked for our feedback or our input they simply responded to the general sentiment the community was unhappy with PVP in general, the same I touched on with criterion, they saw a general sentiment that people wanted harder dungeons but they never really polled anyone to see if they wanted something like BA or basically ultimate lite

So half the feedback they actually ignore the other half they just implement their own vision based on vague sentiment of the community

Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like what you want is for them to individually poll every one of the millions of people who play this game and implement what those players ask for verbatim. Is that right or am I misunderstanding?

[Supersnow845]

How would they know the sentiment without reading the feedback?



Correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like what you want is for them to individually poll every one of the millions of people who play this game and implement what those players ask for verbatim. Is that right or am I misunderstanding?

Yes that’s exactly what I’m saying why would you think I would ever have a more nuanced view than literally the single most outlandish interpretation of my comment you could possibly make

[CidHeiral]

Yes that’s exactly what I’m saying why would you think I would ever have a more nuanced view than literally the single most outlandish interpretation of my comment you could possibly make

Well I was in good faith trying to understand your perspective since you're being vague and contradictory but if you're going to be a sarcastic baby then whatever bro.

[Supersnow845]

Well I was in good faith trying to understand your perspective since you're being vague and contradictory but if you're going to be a sarcastic baby then whatever bro.

You obviously aren’t trying to understand anything if your first instinct is to ask “hey are you asking them to do the most outlandish and unreasonable thing they could possibly do within the bounds of your comment”

What I want is simple

1) the Kaiten issue- if you make a change out of the blue then explicitly ask for feedback on it you need to tell us what that feedback did or what it represented (ie did it present a large enough amount of feedback to consider a reversion, if not then why not) this doesn’t require polling this is exactly what the forums are for. If the forums and the stats contradict each other tell us (ie “we notice it’s a big problem on the forums but we have seen a massive upswing in SAM’s in content so we believe the overall playerbase is content)

2) the healer issue- if you have two opposing groups fighting for a design space (the sylphies vs the glarebots) you need to make it clear what your design is trying to do, nobody is happy with modern healers according to EN feedback, we have vague surveys that indicate satisfaction for AST and SCH crashed, if they have seen a stabilisation of healer queues and see this change as a success again tell us. You could shut me and the healer forums up overnight if you outright told us you think the healer changes have been to the benefit of the game because of the change in healer queues, don’t leave us in the dark and dodge our comments

3) the housing issue- if you have a philosophy for an aspect of the game you refuse to deviate from (the neighbourhoods) then outright tell us you won’t accept feedback on this issue and our energy would be better spent on asking for changes to things on the side (say asking for planters in apartments). If you won’t change why do you allow us to give feedback

4) the forum organisation issue- if you have a specific method you seek to obtain feedback on the forums (say it’s the Japanese way of megathreads you upvote opinions you agree with and move on) then you need to make that clear and you need to have your mods organise our forums to adhere to that so our feedback is actually being heard

I dont want that much I just want square to stop leaving us in the dark while we circle the drain on the EN forums while they apparently respond to “feedback” none of us can find and is contrary to near all the feedback we actually offer

[Arkdra]

You obviously aren’t trying to understand anything if your first instinct is to ask “hey are you asking them to do the most outlandish and unreasonable thing they could possibly do within the bounds of your comment”

What I want is simple

1) the Kaiten issue- if you make a change out of the blue then explicitly ask for feedback on it you need to tell us what that feedback did or what it represented (ie did it present a large enough amount of feedback to consider a reversion, if not then why not) this doesn’t require polling this is exactly what the forums are for. If the forums and the stats contradict each other tell us (ie “we notice it’s a big problem on the forums but we have seen a massive upswing in SAM’s in content so we believe the overall playerbase is content)

A good post, but to answer this question, they responded to my feedback personally.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...lation-sky-pie. Posted at 01-17-2021 02:17 AM in the lead up to EW

3. Kaiten - I realize this is the only reason there is any friction at all in the samurai kit up until Tsubame, but what does it really add? It's just a matter of being able to remember, "Don't spend kenki unless you have >30 of it" which is not complicated. I feel like it is an unintuitive ability to newbies and it also just makes everything from levels 52 to 62 feel terrible because you don't generate enough kenki to kaiten for higenbana and midare in your opener. I think they need to find a more interesting way to add friction to the kenki gauge than this.
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