Viera Changes

[sydthegamer]

People are way too fixated on details. There's a million little things that looked awful in the old characters that everyone have learned to overlook but trust me, once you're used to the new ones, when you look at old screenshots or videos you'll wonder how you ever felt it looked ok before 7.0. Some of the biggest changes on my char actually are improvements on things I didn't actually like but had gotten used to.

Perhaps they could tone down the skin reflectivity a little bit (I can see why they did it - real skin is always a little bit oily and photorealistic skin shaders usually incorporate that by adding a little amount of reflectivity, but it might be overtuned here or even unecessary given the less than realistic art direction), then again it's only a problem in some of the character creation scenes, which may not even have been reworked.

I honestly agree with your sentiment! I think everyone is just not used to the graphics update yet. I agree with almost everyone about the lips issue; they are not as defined as before which I agree they should be. But other than that, I think everyone’s bun looks really good and they’ve all had a major upgrade! I think it’s just getting used to the new looks and their graphics. I think everyone will come to like or love and accept them over time. I also think people are being fairly pessimistic saying that they don’t think Square will take their feedback.This forum exists for a reason. And there’s still time before DT release. But, to me, I believe this is a major upgrade!

[Kouren]

I don't like my Veena's new, smaller pupils. His knobbly new chin and rounded jaw are not what I wanted when I chose his face. I miss the fuller lashes that used to frame his eyes and their corners being lowered looks strange to me. I liked his lighter 'bunny' nose, but it's a different shape now, and darker too. And his mouth… That's easily my least favorite part of the new look. It's too dark, the wrong shape, and looks like he has (matte) lipstick on even though lip color is turned off.

These things aren't a matter of 'getting used to it.' I probably would not have chosen this race if my character had looked like the benchmark when I fantasia'd, and I know I'm not the only one. Sure, we're a minority, and maybe we're pessimistic, but I think it's fair to feel dissatisfied with the changes after being told (more than once!) SE would strive to keep characters looking like themselves. And sure, many things look much better, including many characters. But I can't help hoping we'll see some kind of update.

[sydthegamer]

Male Viera definitely look weird now, coupled with the fact that there's no viera hats in 7.0 is really disappointing. It's like they aren't even listening to feedback.
They didn't even address the weird noses people commented on months ago when we got our first look at it.

Way to mess this up SE.

Yoshi P had confirmed that visible hats for Viera and Hrothgar will be coming to 7.0.

[SongOfTheWind]

And his mouth… That's easily my least favorite part of the new look. It's too dark, the wrong shape, and looks like he has (matte) lipstick on even though lip color is turned off.

I think the dark lipstick with “no lipstick” is a bug, not a re-design. There is a subforum for reporting bugs specifically. It has a bunch of benchmark related already, some were moved to accepted category recently, which is a bit hopeful. Japanese side has even more reported (several pages worth) which also seems to be moving/progressing in status.

[Eikthyr]

I said I like them better. I chose veena at the time because of skin color/tone and I tolerated the eyes. I disliked the no discernible eye color of the veena before. All Veena eyes from a short distance away were the same to me. It doesn’t mean my opinion is better or worse than yours. I’m not aggressively advocating for the change, I am just voicing my opinion. I also dislike Veena’s lack of eyebrows compared to Rava. If Rava had some more skin tones (less orange,red) I would have played them instead just for the eyes and eyebrows. Sun and moon miqo’te have a lot more varied skin tones so choosing between eyes and fangs is more meaningful instead of tolerating things like eyes and eyebrows with Viera. I really don’t understand why eyebrows have to be different either.

Thank you I was so glad to see the smaller puppil on the benchmark for my veena. I understand that some people want the old one back but please give us the choice or alternatively make the two clan skin color palette more similar (not reducing option adding them for both).
I would personally advocate to just scrap the clan system but it's never gonna happens sadly, genuinely why can't miqo'te player get the fang and the slit pupil or both "normal" let people choose. It's an unnecessary limitation to an already extremely limited character creator.

[Rudje]

I don't like my Veena's new, smaller pupils. His knobbly new chin and rounded jaw are not what I wanted when I chose his face. I miss the fuller lashes that used to frame his eyes and their corners being lowered looks strange to me. I liked his lighter 'bunny' nose, but it's a different shape now, and darker too. And his mouth… That's easily my least favorite part of the new look. It's too dark, the wrong shape, and looks like he has (matte) lipstick on even though lip color is turned off.

These things aren't a matter of 'getting used to it.' I probably would not have chosen this race if my character had looked like the benchmark when I fantasia'd, and I know I'm not the only one. Sure, we're a minority, and maybe we're pessimistic, but I think it's fair to feel dissatisfied with the changes after being told (more than once!) SE would strive to keep characters looking like themselves. And sure, many things look much better, including many characters. But I can't help hoping we'll see some kind of update.

It's honestly really frustrating to see people responding to detailed reports of differences with "it's in your head" or "you'll get used to it"; we shouldn't have to get used to it! Male Viera are the newest race added, they shouldn't have needed these kinds of drastic changes (neither should female Viera, either, but when making the guys they at least should have known they were planning the update...)! I have three Viera characters and I'm going to be heartbroken if I can no longer stand to look at them because two years ago I happened to pick the face that would get the worst treatment for them.

[VerdeLuck]

It's honestly really frustrating to see people responding to detailed reports of differences with "it's in your head" or "you'll get used to it"; we shouldn't have to get used to it! Male Viera are the newest race added, they shouldn't have needed these kinds of drastic changes (neither should female Viera, either, but when making the guys they at least should have known they were planning the update...)! I have three Viera characters and I'm going to be heartbroken if I can no longer stand to look at them because two years ago I happened to pick the face that would get the worst treatment for them.

The worst is when people say "it's just the lighting" when lighting can't explain things like pupil size or face shape. I just take it as them putting their fingers in their ears to avoid hearing anything bad about this game.

[Roda]

Thank you I was so glad to see the smaller puppil on the benchmark for my veena. I understand that some people want the old one back but please give us the choice or alternatively make the two clan skin color palette more similar (not reducing option adding them for both).
I would personally advocate to just scrap the clan system but it's never gonna happens sadly, genuinely why can't miqo'te player get the fang and the slit pupil or both "normal" let people choose. It's an unnecessary limitation to an already extremely limited character creator.

i'm in the same boat. I freaking LOVE that I can actually SEE the color I chose for my eyes now!! And i'll be a bit disappointed if they change it back tbh :T

Honestly it's rather dumb that pupil size is a clan thing anyway 'cause it's not like the lalafell, hrothgar and miqo'te with like fully structural changes, they're just dilated a bit more. And if it were some kind of adaption to their environments, wouldn't veena, living in bright snowy areas, have more restricted light intake than the rava living under the golmore canopy?

Honestly it should be two more options on the character creator:

◯ Large
◯ Large dilated
◯ Small
◯ Small dilated

"easy" fix!

Or, if they're feeling ballsy, and I do prefer ballsy, have the textures dynamically react to the light level. >:]
(seriously this would be very striking on races like miqo'te)

[CoraCallisto]

I am fine with most of the changes and know that lighting and textures will change a lot of things by default. But I am upset about the lip shape changes, both my husband and I's characters had shape to their lips but in the benchmark have a generic lip shape.

[Thrawn21]

I'm pretty happy with how my bun turned out. It's a slightly different look and the lips will take some getting used to, but overall I like it.





There isn't much reflection in his eyes in the benchmark CC, but that might be partially due to the hairstyle. It would be nice if they could add a little more eye reflection to give more life to his expression, especially for characters that have hair covering part of their face.

The detail of the clothing and hair look amazing in the benchmark CC, but his hair does look a little flat with less shine. It also seems more blonde than grey, so I may need to adjust that myself, but overall I'm happy with how he looks.