Viera Changes

[Kouren]

Well, my dark skinned viera is BLUE in new "La noscea" background lighting

The character creator has notoriously bad lighting. Predominate theory I've seen floating around is the chargen lighting hasn't been fully updated to be compatible with the new textures, which reflects what I've seen in my benchmark. Does she still seem blue in the benchmark trailer?

[RulerKelso]

The character creator has notoriously bad lighting. Predominate theory I've seen floating around is the chargen lighting hasn't been fully updated to be compatible with the new textures, which reflects what I've seen in my benchmark. Does she still seem blue in the benchmark trailer?

Ye, I hope so. Otherwise i will look like a Smurf in Limsa Lominsa

So perusing the JP megathread some posters over there have posted some really good feedback/breakdowns/edits of the changes that I think y'all might appreciate putting your eyes on.[

Lets hope that "sausage lips" and "dead eyes" are just temporal bugs and will be fixed until release. Did not found any nice lips in the benchmark CC fitting for this face (F Viera face1) which reminds the original lips shape im using now.
They would not just make such illogical changes unless neccessary.

[boopadoop]

Sharing my character in all environments to show the difference the lighting makes. The update improves shadows and lighting in some environments but it's definitely lacking in others.

Gallery:
https://imgur.com/1nrWg1j

The Inn and La Noscea environments actually showcase beautiful new renderings--the lips definition is still there, I'm overall very happy except for the pupil size change!

The Aetherial Sea, Thanalan and Shroud environments show an entirely different character, imo. The lips lose definitely, the facial structure is flattened and the eyes look dull and harsh at the same time.

Makes me wonder if this is just a lighting issue? That said, I really do hope the devs see the feedback about Veena pupil size and fix this because I adore my original characters eyes! They really define her whole face and the new eyes give her a whole different vibe somehow.

Very interesting to see how drastically the lighting changes the whole look and feel of the face, especially when you can see in the original (current) graphics that facial structure isn't affected as much.

i do think the lightning in areas other than the blue aetherial sea is the biggest issue and that if they updated/changed/fixed/provided a better setting with updated lighting to previews a lot of things wouldn't look nearly as bad <3

[Roda]

So perusing the JP megathread some posters over there have posted some really good feedback/breakdowns/edits of the changes that I think y'all might appreciate putting your eyes on.

ヴィナ・ヴィエラ♂、フェイスタイプ3、アイタイプ4、リップタイプ4を使用しております。
初めてフォーラムに書き込みます。至らぬ点がありましたら申し訳ありません。
（数年ぶりに、でした。投稿したことを忘れておりました。）

グラフィックアップデートを反映したベンチマークの公開、お疲れ様です。
髪の毛や衣服の表現には大変満足しております。
実際に遊んでいる時の画面としては自キャラクターの背中を眺めていることが多いため
素晴らしいことと思います。

ただ、他の方も言っているように
眉、ほくろ、鼻、まつげ、唇、瞳のハイライトについては
グラフィックの向上というよりもは仕様変更、バグのように思ってしまう点があります。

上記の点については
#513 #624 #660 #662 #733 にて書かれている内容に大いに同意するため
略させていただきます。

私からはリップの範囲について触れさせていただきたいと思います。


←左がベンチマーク、右→が現行となります。
（同じ見た目になるようにリップカラーは変更しております。）

現行のリップ範囲はやや小さい、あるいは口の端が伸びているように感じられ
それによって小さな口であるような印象があります。
ベンチマークでは口の端まで同じ色のリップが塗られ、化粧初心者のような印象があります。

じゃあどうなれば満足するのか。という話になると


ベンチマークの画像の色味、形を一切変えずに
眉、まつ毛、ハイライト、リップを書き込み、口の端を少しだけ伸ばし
鼻を頬の部分から色をスポイトで取って薄く塗り、ピンクを足してみました。

ストーリーを追いかける間で、冒険者の顔がアップで映るカットシーンが
何度もありました。その時に　「盛れてないな…」　と感じながらでは
新しい冒険へのワクワクは半減してしまいます。

どうか、ほどよい地点に着地してくれることを願っております。

追記。
ベンチマークの鼻の下の表現（人中のことではありません。）とアップにしたときの
唇のしわ部分の表現は素晴らしいものでした。ありがとうございます。

いつも楽しくFF14をプレイしております。
大型アップデートに向けてご多用のさなか、
グラフィックアップデート対応版のベンチマークのリリースをいただきありがとうございます。

皆さま既に投稿されておられます内容と重複する箇所もございますが、
大きく３つに分けてグラフィックアップデートの内容について要望を記載させていただきます。
参考画像①②は何れもヴィエラ♀／顔タイプ１／目タイプ３／口タイプ４を利用しておりますが、一部を除き他の顔タイプでも当てはまる内容と考えております。
又、画像取得の際には可能な限り角度や光源を同じにしておりますが、微妙な角度の差により参考画像②のアウトラインの差に繋がってしまっていることご容赦ください。

参考画像①比較画像



参考画像②比較と要望について



①唇の形と光沢について
今までヴィエラ♀では、殆どのタイプの唇にいわゆる「Ｍ字ライン」がありましたが、
これが無くなり、ぽってりした厚い印象の唇が増えているようです。
Ｍ字ラインリップが好きなので、これをぜひとも元に戻していただきたいです。
又、他の既出の要望にもあります通り、唇の色を選択した際の光沢が無くなっておりますので、これを復活していただきたいです。
唇の色を選択しなければ現行仕様でもツヤはでませんので、住み分け可能な数少ない箇所と感じております。勘違いでしたらすみません。

②アイラインと瞳に落ちる影について
ヴィエラ♀／顔タイプ１に限った話となりますが、この顔タイプは他のヴィエラ♀の顔タイプに比べてシュッとして涼し気な顔つきが特徴であり、目頭から瞼の頂点に至るまでのアイラインがシャープであることが一因と個人的に感じております。
ところが、ベンチマークでは特徴的な目頭からのラインが丸みを帯びて、顔タイプ３の目に近づいているように見えます。（他の方の要望にもあります、睫毛の増毛に起因するものではないかと推察します。）
一部の顔タイプのことで恐縮ではありますが、何より愛着を持っていた部分ですので何とか元の印象に近づけていただけないかと思います。
アイラインが太くなったことか、瞳に落ちる影が黒くなったことか、何らかの原因で瞼が開ききっておらず下垂気味の目に見えてしまう事象についても、他の種族・顔タイプの既出の要望にもあります通りヴィエラ♀顔タイプ１についても同様に修正いただきたいと感じております。

③目の粘膜の表現について
非常に些細なことですが…グラフィックアップデート版では髪の毛の影が目元に落ちるだけで、目の粘膜箇所がほぼ黒く塗りつぶされており、睫毛と一体化して見えます。
他の方の投稿にある下睫毛のラインが強調されて見えるという一因でもあると感じております。
目元に影が落ちても粘膜部分と睫毛の色がもう少し明確に分かれて欲しいです。
ヴィエラ♀以外でも、ヴィエラ♂／顔タイプ４等の目頭の粘膜面積が広めなタイプでは気になると感じました。


リリースまで残すところ数カ月であることから、既出の要望等のすべてに対応することは難しいと承知しておりますが、長らく付き添った自分のキャラクターには非常な愛着があります。
全く同じとは言いませんが、7.x以降でも構いませんので今までと近しい印象のままにプレイできればという願いです。
何卒ご一考いただけますと幸いです。

Also

Sharing my character in all environments to show the difference the lighting makes. The update improves shadows and lighting in some environments but it's definitely lacking in others.

The Inn and La Noscea environments actually showcase beautiful new renderings--the lips definition is still there, I'm overall very happy except for the pupil size change!

The Aetherial Sea, Thanalan and Shroud environments show an entirely different character, imo. The lips lose definitely, the facial structure is flattened and the eyes look dull and harsh at the same time.

Makes me wonder if this is just a lighting issue? That said, I really do hope the devs see the feedback about Veena pupil size and fix this because I adore my original characters eyes! They really define her whole face and the new eyes give her a whole different vibe somehow.

Very interesting to see how drastically the lighting changes the whole look and feel of the face, especially when you can see in the original (current) graphics that facial structure isn't affected as much.

Fixed that for you!

[Cornet]

I've not had my bun alt for very long, so when I first loaded her I thought her eyes looked a bit odd, but largely looked okay. I moved the eye colour over a notch and swapped the lip colour (see the change from the 1st cap to the 2nd cap) which seemed to improve things. But then I saw the chatter about the bun changes, so I dove into comparing properly and oh. Oh. Oh. Ooph. The change is very noticeable on my bun. She's face 3 with type 4 eyes.





The changes have sure made her expression go from fairly bright looking to really rather apathetic/blank. The changes to the lips also feels kinda baffling.

Closer inspection reveals a dark stroke has been added to the underside of the upper eyelid... (And the lashes seem to have been made to be less perfect? From what it appears?) Could it cause, idk... some kinda dark cast on the eyeball or something? o.Oa 3d modelling isn't in my wheelhouse, so take my thought with a bucket of salt, but seems like it's involved. lol



Anyhoo, I can't imagine they aren't taking in the feedback, so I live in hope these will be things can and will addressed.

[matthiolaincana]

I like the eye changes but I do not like how different the nose looks. It looks like the marking changed on it makes it look like a different shape.

[Etterna]

Aside from the lip gloss and maybe the nose, I think my bun turned out ok. Tho I wish for less eye shadow in the eye, and a bit more light shimmer in the eyes, just feels a bit weird.

[EBlaidd]

I am very, probably too much, in love with how my character looks currently. To me, he is perfect in every way. Most of the time I spend in game, outside of battle, I am simply enjoying and appreciating his beauty. It hit me very hard to see how different he looked. My favorite things about his dramatic eyes and lips are muted or ironed away.

All feedback here applies to Male Viera, Veena, Face 4

Main issues:

• Eye size/shape: eyes appear smaller in 7.0 benchmark vs 6.0. The key feature of a larger eye is now lost, because the prominent eyelid is gone, makeup is softened, and shape appears to have been changed slightly in the inner corner to a closer, more downward slanting shape.
• Lip shape: lips appear flatter and more rounded in 7.0 vs 6.0 which removes their unique character and distinct look. The shape of the lip color is also very different and much more opaque, the matte texture contributes to the flat appearance.
• Lower eyelash Facial Feature: lower eyelash feature is black in 6.0 and matches hair in 7.0, which changes the look of the eye very drastically on light-haired characters from what we are used to and contributes to the smaller look of the eye. Black lashes are what we are used to with this face.
• Eyeliner Tattoo: not as large nor as prominent in 7.0 vs 6.0. Eyeliner has become smaller and less noticeable. Contributes to the overall smaller and weaker appearance of the eyes.

As someone who likes extremes and dramatic visuals, who chose Face 4 for these Michael-angelo-esque details in the first place, I hope that these issues can be considered. I currently use all these features at max value, so there is no upward adjustment I can make to increase their intensity.

These features together as they are in Endwalker lend a classical beauty to male viera Face 4 that I hope can be preserved with some changes. Whoever designed this face did so lovingly and with amazing talent, and I hope that their artistic vision and hard work can be preserved.

Thank you to the Devs for your time and consideration.

[MomoMaru]

Hi! It's my turn to contribute to constructive criticism here.

First: Though I do understand the numerous complaints about both genders of Viera, I really like how my female bun looks. I won't include a before/after of her because she's not my concern.
My concern lies within my male Viera, my main, my boy.

The primary concern is with the lips. It looks like he has lipstick on-- or as my friend put it, my character "actually has lips now". I honestly think this looks like an odd change for lighter skin toned Viera and could use a touch-up.
I'm not a 3D modeler so my only guess is the color of the lips and maybe the gloss? I wish I could give better suggestions other than that, but my experience with this topic is tiny. The best I can say is make the color of the lips closer to the skin tone so it doesn't look like lipstick
(Face 2 Male Viera, by the way)

(<-- Normal | Benchmark-->)


(Here's a picture of my boy within the benchmark cinematic so mayhap you'll have a better reference of what I mean by 'lipstick' -- This is with No lip color, by the way)


\|/ With Lip color adjusted (I attempted to make it more like what I expected no lip color to look like)


Even if changing lip color via the character creation fixes it a bit, I still feel like the lips in general could use a slight touch-up to maybe make it slight more natural appearing.

I'm sorry I can't give any specific advice. I hope this helps!

[Valenaux]

I am very, probably too much, in love with how my character looks currently. To me, he is perfect in every way. Most of the time I spend in game, outside of battle, I am simply enjoying and appreciating his beauty. It hit me very hard to see how different he looked. My favorite things about his dramatic eyes and lips are muted or ironed away.

All feedback here applies to Male Viera, Veena, Face 4

Main issues:

• Eye size/shape: eyes appear smaller in 7.0 benchmark vs 6.0. The key feature of a larger eye is now lost, because the prominent eyelid is gone, makeup is softened, and shape appears to have been changed slightly in the inner corner to a closer, more downward slanting shape.
• Lip shape: lips appear flatter and more rounded in 7.0 vs 6.0 which removes their unique character and distinct look. The shape of the lip color is also very different and much more opaque, the matte texture contributes to the flat appearance.
• Lower eyelash Facial Feature: lower eyelash feature is black in 6.0 and matches hair in 7.0, which changes the look of the eye very drastically on light-haired characters from what we are used to and contributes to the smaller look of the eye. Black lashes are what we are used to with this face.
• Eyeliner Tattoo: not as large nor as prominent in 7.0 vs 6.0. Eyeliner has become smaller and less noticeable. Contributes to the overall smaller and weaker appearance of the eyes.

As someone who likes extremes and dramatic visuals, who chose Face 4 for these Michael-angelo-esque details in the first place, I hope that these issues can be considered. I currently use all these features at max value, so there is no upward adjustment I can make to increase their intensity.

These features together as they are in Endwalker lend a classical beauty to male viera Face 4 that I hope can be preserved with some changes. Whoever designed this face did so lovingly and with amazing talent, and I hope that their artistic vision and hard work can be preserved.

Thank you to the Devs for your time and consideration.

Male Viera Face 4 user here as well. I joined the forums to say this but you've beaten me to it, and you've stated my own thoughts far more eloquently than I could have. Face 4 is absolutely gorgeous, and I'm genuinely concerned about the features being changed so drastically. My character looks like an off brand version of himself now.