Give Warrior the Dark Knight treatment in regards to Bloodwhetting

[GoatOfWar]

IR doesn't guarantee a crit on heals, and BW doesn't proc on oGCDs.

Nascent Chaos and primal rend guarantee crit heals.

[TheOperator3712]

Nascent Chaos and primal rend guarantee crit heals.

I am aware. I was specifically replying to the part about using it during burst, and the erroneous and out of date statement that oGCDs procced the BW effect. The individual I was replying to by all given indications is using BW as though it were ShB Nascent Flash. An appearance which I find most irksome as they seem to be claiming authority on BW, when they have been demonstrably incorrect on multiple points about BW's basic functions.

[GoatOfWar]

I am aware. I was specifically replying to the part about using it during burst, and the erroneous and out of date statement that oGCDs procced the BW effect. The individual I was replying to by all given indications is using BW as though it were ShB Nascent Flash. An appearance which I find most irksome as they seem to be claiming authority on BW, when they have been demonstrably incorrect on multiple points about BW's basic functions.

Fair. Yeah, BW does not proc off of OGCD's.

[DiscoPug]

Thrill+guaranteed crits should net you somewhere close to that in a raid yeah.

Thrill doesn't affect Nascent/Bloodwhetting heals, fell cleaves even under IR do not force crit heals unlike Inner chaos & Primal rend, I have zero idea what your on about

[GoatOfWar]

Thrill doesn't affect Nascent/Bloodwhetting heals, fell cleaves even under IR do not force crit heals unlike Inner chaos & Primal rend, I have zero idea what your on about

Yes, the other poster already mentioned that and i already conceded that after testing.

[HyperiusUltima]

I am aware. I was specifically replying to the part about using it during burst, and the erroneous and out of date statement that oGCDs procced the BW effect. The individual I was replying to by all given indications is using BW as though it were ShB Nascent Flash. An appearance which I find most irksome as they seem to be claiming authority on BW, when they have been demonstrably incorrect on multiple points about BW's basic functions.

Sorry. I’ll admit I’m wrong. It’s been a hot minute since I played WAR, but I’ve been turned away from it since other jobs have been more appealing.

[Absurdity]

The individual I was replying to by all given indications is using BW as though it were ShB Nascent Flash.

The significantly better designed version of the skill.

[Derio]

Pretty much any scenario where there are two or more targets WAR is god tier in terms of survivability. In regular single target BW doesnt heal very good. But it does more than that. It provides a small shield. Roughly 17% damage mit when timed properly and most often you are combining this with other tank cooldown for a tank buster so you heal after the damage has been taken.

DRK does not have that, every other tank gets a heal either after or during their 25s cooldown spender. If DRK was top damage tank then we wouldnt complain because that is what we are sacrificing. But its not and most likely will not be in 7.0

[Sqwall]

So can we put this to bed after I read the entire thread from beginning to end. It appears some people had NO idea how WAR's bloodwhetting worked from the get go, and how it procs it's healing effects.

Hell some didn't even know oGCD's didn't proc a heal. I knew that the first day I tried upheaval + bloodwhetting.

Or that the healing in a single target scenario is just rather.....meh.

Yeah you might get a fat heal from Inner Chaos or Primal Rend....but those are few and far between as they require you to pop bloodwhetting while you have those available. Which from a tanking perspective...I would never pop a mitigation just because I can see a fat heal pop up....even though I'm at 90% HP.

I would save bloodwhetting for a tankbuster, use the mitigation it offers and the heals that come with it. Shared tank buster, pop nascent on my OT. Both get heals. Maybe I hit rampart. The choice is mine.

Same goes for holmgang...I get the fact that it is on a short cooldown...this last tier...maybe 1 fight require me to hit that more then once per fight (p11s). Other then that....it just sits there off cooldown...because I don't need it.

WAR is perfectly fine...and I would argue that it's not the greatest tank in the game...I think it has better aspects then it's contemporaries....but definitely NOT the best tank given my experience. I would say it's the easiest to play, and possibly the most boring as it's incredibly slow. But that's it's thing.

I would say that crown goes to PLD. In terms of tankyness....PLD has the most mits and some of the strongest mits. Also it's self sustain is strong as it's just PART of it's normal rotation. It just lacks damage output compared to the other tanks. Trade off.

[rawker]

That was a backhanded request to further buff WAR. It sure isn't enough.