Give Warrior the Dark Knight treatment in regards to Bloodwhetting

[HyperiusUltima]

By the Dark Knight treatment, I mean what happened back in Stormblood to Shadowbringers, where all of Dark Knight's sustain went out the window the next expansion. I get that Warrior is supposed to fight with their HP along with mitigation, but I'm going to bring it up again that healers have been being pushed out(in a minority) just for speed clears.

If I'm going to be honest, the reason why everyone plays Warrior is because they're not just the easiest tank, they're the BEST at everything. Sustain, mitigation, and also having the shortest CD Invuln puts it in a spot where while it's not the highest damage, it brings every utility under the sun that isn't Raid-wide Magic Mitigation(and outshines PLD in every regard nearly).

90 Dungeons are being dealt with by a 3 DPS/1 Tank squad, and it is only because Bloodwhetting is a 1:1 recovery, akin to old Abyssal Drain for DRK back in Stormblood. You had essentially infinite MP through Blood Price(getting hit gave MP back back then before they removed it) and could spam Abyssal Drain for HP to be unkillable in large packs; however, it wasn't ideal for single target.

As for Warrior, Bloodwhetting is ideal for EVERYTHING. Single Target, AoE? Doesn't matter, just do damage get HP back and be a self-Benediction. What's more, this is on a 25s CD for something extremely powerful that is supposed to be a tertiary cooldown.

So, there is only one way to fix this: cut Bloodwhetting's healing IN HALF. It's essentially what happened to DRK when they got thrown into Shadowbringers with AD being really weak on healing. It'll also put a stop to current patch Dungeons being done by 1 Tank/3 DPS since your sustain isn't insanely good on W2W.

And yes, I get this may seem "anti-fun", but it's to a point where it's breaking the Trinity alongside other things that are phasing out Healers. In Dawntrail, they need to address this issue directly if they want the game to live since a lot of people are hinging everything on Dawntrail.

[Oizen]

You could very easily tone it down by making it heal per GCD rather than per target
Beyond that I view Nascent Flash and Shake it Off (Overtime) as bigger problems than Bloodwhetting.

[GoatOfWar]

Every other job gets taxed on it's damage for utility except tanks lol

[Valence]

But people are going to complain again like they did in SB when WAR lost Bloodbath and couldn't self heal massively anymore...

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

But people are going to complain again like they did in SB when WAR lost Bloodbath and couldn't self heal massively anymore...

Good. /10char

[GoatOfWar]

But people are going to complain again like they did in SB when WAR lost Bloodbath and couldn't self heal massively anymore...

We shoulnd't care about that. Catering to selfish players that want their job to do everything and be the best at everything is exactly what got us here in the first place.

[Valence]

We shoulnd't care about that. Catering to selfish players that want their job to do everything and be the best at everything is exactly what got us here in the first place.

I think the irony of my message was lost to the medium. You're preaching to the choir.

[rawker]

All of the discussions about nerfing WAR reminded me of HW PLD when I was complaining how poor PLD was back then that even if I go full tank stance, a WAR in full Slaying accessories can rip aggro in Deliverance.

[Sqwall]

In a dungeon setting bloodwhetting is broken....but I also want to argue this. If you DIE in a dungeon with a healer....you have bigger problems then having a broken skill.

Bloodwhetting in a extreme/savage setting is VERY underpowered with only a single boss to attack. It's pretty close to PLD blade combo it terms of heal potency.

I have to look at it where the skills matter...and how the skills are designed. Jobs are designed around extreme/savage/ultimate. Not dungeons.

So if your in a dungeon and a WAR pops bloodwhetting....it's broken as all hell. Honestly they could just do a AOE diminishing returns to it and it would still be broken. WAR is just so damn smooth at AOE tanking as it just ruins large packs.

I have tanked with WAR for nearly the whole expansion...and switched to PLD from P10S onwards. I can say this. PLD was TERRIBLE to play before the rework. WAR was hands down so much better to play then PLD prior to the rework. PLD is smooth as hell to play and everything just lines up perfectly. WAR is in the same boat with skills lining up...it's just slower is all. And that is is the point in my opinion. They still feel different to play, and have different playstyles. For those that think the tanks homogenized and feel the same. I would ask you to play P10S or P12S as a WAR....then change to PLD. It's crazy disjointed and you have to play so much more differently. The basics are the same, but you still have to plan ahead and use the jobs strengths.

That's part of the fun though. I love being able to change to w/e tank I want to, and figuring out what each can get away with. Surprise, surprise...each tank can respectively get away with more or less then the other.

Streamers gonna complain because that's how they get clicks and views. But when you boil it right down to what it really is....Tanks are so damn balanced and I don't know what they could do to improve anymore.

[Kabooa]

Bloodwhetting in a extreme/savage setting is VERY underpowered with only a single boss to attack. It's pretty close to PLD blade combo it terms of heal potency.