Are people remembering to disable their shaders before leaving graphic feedback?

[Fuyume]

This is why I'm taking all the criticisms with a grain of salt. I don't trust the playerbase to produce accurate, unedited photos to be completely honest.

Literally same imported settings, no gamma correction, same location, disabled any kind of color correction or shader that could possibly influence it, even went out of my way to make sure that it's at the exact angle by using those windows behind them, and it still looks like a totally different character. And not in the good 'wow her textures are so much better' way, in the 'Since when does she have dimples? Why is her face so much rounder and softer?' kind of way.

[Turtledeluxe]

Literally same imported settings, no gamma correction, same location, disabled any kind of color correction or shader that could possibly influence it, even went out of my way to make sure that it's at the exact angle by using those windows behind them, and it still looks like a totally different character. And not in the good 'wow her textures are so much better' way, in the 'Since when does she have dimples? Why is her face so much rounder and softer?' kind of way.

Yes, certain features are present now. But I also think the new version doesn't look bad, it just looks like they wanted to give the face more detail vs the original face which is more flat with some shadow that seems imply dimples should be there but just aren't. It's impossible to know if this is how she was always supposed to look per their creative vision, but according to their comments that's what is driving the updates. I don't think it looks like a "totally different character" but if you don't like it, yes it's different enough that I can respect that because not everyone agrees with the new lip shapes, noses, cheeks etc and that's valid. I just don't think your character is ruined, personally, and I'd be curious to see people's reaction to your character in the actual game (as in different environments) once it all launches.

And no I am not saying it's all about other people thinking your characters look good. I think you liking your own character is very important. But I also think getting other perspectives as you're playing the game may result in different feelings about the new model. I guess we will find out. Also *to be clear*, there are instances where I think characters are uglier. This just isn't one, for me, personally.

Grow up or all you'll find yourself in is arguments. You're so full of it that it's coming out of your ears. So carefully nitpicking and choosing words so the person you're talking to is always somehow in the wrong. "Where in my first post" you're not fooling anyone with that one. "What is your insistence on feeling targeted by this statement?" isn't slick either. Act like an adult or you'll get treated like a child.

No one is talking to you, shut up. Please. Or I guess should say you don't have anything to say that's worth engaging with. It's just attacks. You're wasting your time and I've dismantled your accusations already.

[Doozer]

No one is talking to you, shut up. Please. Or I guess should say you don't have anything to say that's worth engaging with. It's just attacks. You're wasting your time and I've dismantled your accusations already.

Finally, the double talk stops and you say how you really feel. The second someone doesn't bow to you stirring the pot for no reason and you just can't take it. Funny.

What's also funny is you claiming I'm making accusations when you were trying to start up a conspiracy about people secretly using shaders and pretending they aren't when posting comparison screenshots. I guess it doesn't feel so good to have the finger pointed at you now, does it?

You can disagree with people without wielding a forked tongue. Consider that going forward, it makes talking to people a lot easier.

[Fuyume]

Yes, certain features are present now. But I also think the new version doesn't look bad, it just looks like they wanted to give the face more detail vs the original face which is more flat with some shadow that seems imply dimples should be there but just aren't. It's impossible to know if this is how she was always supposed to look per their creative vision, but according to their comments that's what is driving the updates. I don't think it looks like a "totally different character" but if you don't like it, yes it's different enough that I can respect that because not everyone agrees with the new lip shapes, noses, cheeks etc and that's valid. I just don't think your character is ruined, personally, and I'd be curious to see people's reaction to your character in the actual game (as in different environments) once it all launches.

Sorry for the delay in reply, I actually didn't notice that you'd replied to me in the midst of some other replies I got. I certainly hope that in game she looks a little better than the CC and the trailer, and I'm holding out hope that, if nothing else, maybe they'll hear the FemRa community and tweak the lips for various faces back to how they were originally shaped. As far as why I feel she's ruined, she just doesn't match the aesthetic I've given her for eight years. I designed her when I fanta'd in HW to be a, for lack of a better term, edgy character. She was a DRK main until RPR came in EW. She's a fighter. But the one on the right just doesn't visually reflect that. (I am aware that real life people can do whatever despite their looks, but character design is a little different and usually small details can suggest things about who they are.)

So as not to be overly negative though I'm one of the few that's fine with the lipgloss change because I was always trying to go for a minimal makeup look and just wanted her lips to be more grey, not have grey lipgloss. But I won't be mad if they add it back because I think removing it disappointed a lot more people than it made happy.

[Catwho]

Literally same imported settings, no gamma correction, same location, disabled any kind of color correction or shader that could possibly influence it, even went out of my way to make sure that it's at the exact angle by using those windows behind them, and it still looks like a totally different character. And not in the good 'wow her textures are so much better' way, in the 'Since when does she have dimples? Why is her face so much rounder and softer?' kind of way.

She did have dimples. You just never saw them before because there was no light scattering coming from a bottom light point before, so they were never seen except as extra shadows on the mouth. The meshes did not change, from what I am given to understand. The pucker around her mouth is from the mesh; the light engine now finally shows it, is all.

Face being rounder? Light effect. Softer? Light subsurface scattering.

Quite literally looks "the same" to me - if it was a photo of a real person, it's the difference between taking a photo with no flash in a dim room , and taking a photo flash turned on.

[Fuyume]

She did have dimples. You just never saw them before because there was no light scattering coming from a bottom light point before, so they were never seen except as extra shadows on the mouth. The meshes did not change, from what I am given to understand. The pucker around her mouth is from the mesh; the light engine now finally shows it, is all.

Face being rounder? Light effect. Softer? Light subsurface scattering.

Quite literally looks "the same" to me - if it was a photo of a real person, it's the difference between taking a photo with no flash in a dim room , and taking a photo flash turned on.

I have gposed her extensively. I even ripped her mesh into blender to play with making HD renders of her so I have seen the sculpt directly with no textures to trick the eye, with textures, with better textures, and with multiple types of lighting. She absolutely did not have dimples.

[Somnolence]

Literally same imported settings, no gamma correction, same location, disabled any kind of color correction or shader that could possibly influence it, even went out of my way to make sure that it's at the exact angle by using those windows behind them, and it still looks like a totally different character. And not in the good 'wow her textures are so much better' way, in the 'Since when does she have dimples? Why is her face so much rounder and softer?' kind of way.

This is good example, because you can show this to random people that do not play the game and they will likely think left one is the upgraded one

[SchwarzwaelderTorte]

you can show this to random people that do not play the game and they will likely think left one is the upgraded one

Genuinely, when I see screenshots on twitter etc without any specification on which is which, I regularly have to do a double or triple take and look at the hair texture resolution to confirm which one is the "upgraded" one. I already had that issue when I was putting together screenshots from the various Fanfest previews to compare them lol, I was doubting my eyes all the time

EDIT:

oh my god stealing this from another thread but this is exactly what I mean... without the hair pixels I would SWEAR the benchmark screenshot was the older one