Are people remembering to disable their shaders before leaving graphic feedback?

[Doozer]

No one is talking to you, shut up. Please. Or I guess should say you don't have anything to say that's worth engaging with. It's just attacks. You're wasting your time and I've dismantled your accusations already.

Finally, the double talk stops and you say how you really feel. The second someone doesn't bow to you stirring the pot for no reason and you just can't take it. Funny.

What's also funny is you claiming I'm making accusations when you were trying to start up a conspiracy about people secretly using shaders and pretending they aren't when posting comparison screenshots. I guess it doesn't feel so good to have the finger pointed at you now, does it?

You can disagree with people without wielding a forked tongue. Consider that going forward, it makes talking to people a lot easier.

[Somnolence]

Literally same imported settings, no gamma correction, same location, disabled any kind of color correction or shader that could possibly influence it, even went out of my way to make sure that it's at the exact angle by using those windows behind them, and it still looks like a totally different character. And not in the good 'wow her textures are so much better' way, in the 'Since when does she have dimples? Why is her face so much rounder and softer?' kind of way.

This is good example, because you can show this to random people that do not play the game and they will likely think left one is the upgraded one

[Catwho]

Tired of all these disingenuous shilling posts. Not everything can be chalked up to lighting and shaders, people know that. Lighting didn't change the literal shape of lips and noses. Lighting sure didn't sand the Moonie's fangs. Lighting didn't give the Lalafell shark jaws. Its okay to criticize some of the changes.

On the posts where the critiques are ones that I can 100% see as an issue, I'm adding in +1. Quite a few of the problems are things I hope can be fixed in QA before 7.0 is released - the meshes on the Lala cheeks, the nose smudges, the markings out of alignment.

In this particular case, the OP is claiming that it looks like a completely different character and..... I'm just not seeing it. I am not OP, and if they feel that their character has changed too much and feels too different, their feelings are valid. But I'm not sure what can be fixed out of this particular stance because the "bugs" aren't obvious. The change is an aesthetic one.

[SchwarzwaelderTorte]

you can show this to random people that do not play the game and they will likely think left one is the upgraded one

Genuinely, when I see screenshots on twitter etc without any specification on which is which, I regularly have to do a double or triple take and look at the hair texture resolution to confirm which one is the "upgraded" one. I already had that issue when I was putting together screenshots from the various Fanfest previews to compare them lol, I was doubting my eyes all the time

EDIT:

oh my god stealing this from another thread but this is exactly what I mean... without the hair pixels I would SWEAR the benchmark screenshot was the older one

[Mikey_R]

And like someone else said, I haven't seen any screenshots using very obvious shaders. Try to be less of a bootlicker, please.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6437020

When I first saw this post, I was instantly sceptical. Later on in the topic, they say they play on PS5, so no shaders, however, you can still use gpose to alter what the game looks like. Now, whilst I am no expert on gpose by any means, after a quick look through, I suspect the lighting filter 'Bright 2' was used for the screenshots. If you go into character creator and try and match the skin tone, you cannot do it either. Nothing is that red. Couple that with the fact the pic doesn't even come close to matching the forum picture. With that, I would say it isn't an accurate representation of what the character looks like before.

They also mentioned the pupils are darker in the update, however, colour matching as best I could on the yellow eyes, the pupils are still dark. The top before pic has eyes that are partially closed with the light reflecting off, which is going to minimise the size of the pupils 'space' in the eye relative to everything else, and making them look 'lighter', when, infact, it's just a combination of angle and filter. The second pic is also a bad one as the character is looking right, so the eye is obscured by the face and again, the pupils are pretty non existent, just because they basically aren't shown.

Now, the face markings and the 'nose smudge' are things that could be darkened. However, it is an example to show just how different a character can look just from using even in the ingame tools to alter screenshots.

[DiaDeem]

I don't think people are intentionally altering pictures to falsely prove anything.

The main reason I originally tried asking people for accurate comparisons, is because it's kinda hard to point out what an issue with lighting, shading or the skin may be if conditions aren't matching.

If I say... "There are no shadows anymore and my skin looks too pale" but then I post this:


The comparison is useless, and the argument may even come across as either ignorant or made in bad faith.

You can post any picture you want, but if you want a dev to be able to better point out where a fix could be implemented, then providing them with accurate feedback is gonna be better for both you and them.

[Doozer]

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post6437020

When I first saw this post, I was instantly sceptical. Later on in the topic, they say they play on PS5, so no shaders, however, you can still use gpose to alter what the game looks like. Now, whilst I am no expert on gpose by any means, after a quick look through, I suspect the lighting filter 'Bright 2' was used for the screenshots. If you go into character creator and try and match the skin tone, you cannot do it either. Nothing is that red. Couple that with the fact the pic doesn't even come close to matching the forum picture. With that, I would say it isn't an accurate representation of what the character looks like before.

They also mentioned the pupils are darker in the update, however, colour matching as best I could on the yellow eyes, the pupils are still dark. The top before pic has eyes that are partially closed with the light reflecting off, which is going to minimise the size of the pupils 'space' in the eye relative to everything else, and making them look 'lighter', when, infact, it's just a combination of angle and filter. The second pic is also a bad one as the character is looking right, so the eye is obscured by the face and again, the pupils are pretty non existent, just because they basically aren't shown.

Now, the face markings and the 'nose smudge' are things that could be darkened. However, it is an example to show just how different a character can look just from using even in the ingame tools to alter screenshots.

It's possible they're using a gpose filter, though the things they're complaining about the most aren't gpose/shader related, since many Roe players complain about the nose tip being lighter and it has nothing to do with filters. They also seem to be screenshots they'd previously taken during normal play, not as a direct one-to-one comparison of specific colours like skintone. The things they complained about are accurate, it's just that their chosen screenshot isn't the best representation of their point. Not an attempt to fool people, as that other person has been trying to convince everyone.

However, that's just one post that's complaining about the changes that uses a gpose filter, and it unfortunately does not discredit all the other complaints.

[Mikey_R]

However, that's just one post that's complaining about the changes that uses a gpose filter, and it unfortunately does not discredit all the other complaints.

You initially claimed to have not seen a comparison that had obvious shaders, this one stuck out as having the pic be altered in some way (quite obviously I might add), so I used it as an example to highlight that some are potentially using altered screenshots, whether intentionally or, more likely, not, to make comparisons. This obviously is not fair and why the OP stated to make sure you turn off shaders etc. when taking screenshots to get the most accurate comparison.

I also never made the claim it discredits other people, infact, I acknowledged that there might be other issues, including missing fangs or Lalas having creepy mouths to name a couple. However, that is a separate issue to the initial claim that was about shaders or equivalent. Even subtle shaders could make a big difference.

[Doozer]

You initially claimed to have not seen a comparison that had obvious shaders

Imma stop you there, chief. Do not "initially claimed" what I said I did or did not see. I never saw that specific one, and you can't prove otherwise, so stop trying to poke holes by saying I simply "claimed" to not see it.

And when I was talking about discrediting other complaints, I'm preferring to the other person in this thread who insists on accusing others of altering screenshots or using shaders to mislead people. I didn't say you made that claim, I just figured you knew what I was talking about given that you had quoted me. I'll include more information next time.

[Fuyume]

Yes, certain features are present now. But I also think the new version doesn't look bad, it just looks like they wanted to give the face more detail vs the original face which is more flat with some shadow that seems imply dimples should be there but just aren't. It's impossible to know if this is how she was always supposed to look per their creative vision, but according to their comments that's what is driving the updates. I don't think it looks like a "totally different character" but if you don't like it, yes it's different enough that I can respect that because not everyone agrees with the new lip shapes, noses, cheeks etc and that's valid. I just don't think your character is ruined, personally, and I'd be curious to see people's reaction to your character in the actual game (as in different environments) once it all launches.

Sorry for the delay in reply, I actually didn't notice that you'd replied to me in the midst of some other replies I got. I certainly hope that in game she looks a little better than the CC and the trailer, and I'm holding out hope that, if nothing else, maybe they'll hear the FemRa community and tweak the lips for various faces back to how they were originally shaped. As far as why I feel she's ruined, she just doesn't match the aesthetic I've given her for eight years. I designed her when I fanta'd in HW to be a, for lack of a better term, edgy character. She was a DRK main until RPR came in EW. She's a fighter. But the one on the right just doesn't visually reflect that. (I am aware that real life people can do whatever despite their looks, but character design is a little different and usually small details can suggest things about who they are.)

So as not to be overly negative though I'm one of the few that's fine with the lipgloss change because I was always trying to go for a minimal makeup look and just wanted her lips to be more grey, not have grey lipgloss. But I won't be mad if they add it back because I think removing it disappointed a lot more people than it made happy.