We need to compromise as a player base

[Ath192]

I’m sorry, but I don’t agree. People have every right to express their upset, and it is not our job to tone police ourselves so that the devs don’t get scared of trying new things. Many people, myself included, are extremely unhappy with how our characters look, and nebulous ideas about “bringing the game into the future” are not worth the heartbreak of feeling like you’re losing a character you’ve grown attached to for years. Update the graphics, sure, but don’t take our characters from us.

They didn’t take your character from you. When looked at objectively, if you showed the two pictures of your character to a third party that does not play this game and told them they were the same character they would believe you without thinking twice. People are just pixel peeping. So yes, there are subtle differences but I do think they were trying to be faithful to the original low res character.

Further more, it is absolutely worth the heart break of losing a low resolution character when the new one looks similar enough if it means the game will look better over all and attract new players and stay fresh. After all very few people would keep playing the game if everyone quit, and that’s exactly what happens to most outdated games.

So again, provide your feedback about what you would like to see but look at the larger picture. They are VERY similar. If they had to rework assets in the characters I’m sure there were reasons for the differences, adding polygons will slightly alter looks, the person who designed some features originally may no longer be there and the new designer rebuilt the asset in a way they thought was similar, etc etc…

The characters look undeniably similar. I saw you on another page here accusing someone else of being rude, all that’s being asked is that you don’t be rude to the devs and be understanding.

[noumen0nn]

They didn’t take your character from you. When looked at objectively, if you showed the two pictures of your character to a third party that does not play this game and told them they were the same character they would believe you without thinking twice. People are just pixel peeping. So yes, there are subtle differences but I do think they were trying to be faithful to the original low res character.

Further more, it is absolutely worth the heart break of losing a low resolution character when the new one looks similar enough if it means the game will look better over all and attract new players and stay fresh. After all very few people would keep playing the game if everyone quit, and that’s exactly what happens to most outdated games.

So again, provide your feedback about what you would like to see but look at the larger picture. They are VERY similar. If they had to rework assets in the characters I’m sure there were reasons for the differences, adding polygons will slightly alter looks, the person who designed some features originally may no longer be there and the new designer rebuilt the asset in a way they thought was similar, etc etc…

The characters look undeniably similar. I saw you on another page here accusing someone else of being rude, all that’s being asked is that you don’t be rude to the devs and be understanding.

I actually did show my comparison screenshots to several of my friends who don't play the game, and all of them had pretty much the same reaction I did. Furthermore, I really need everyone in these threads to please differentiate from expressing upset and being rude. Saying I hate the changes is not rude. Dismissing people out of hand, like the person I was replying to was doing, is. I just made my own topic going over the minute details that I take issue with, so you're welcome to comment on my feedback there.

[Ath192]

I actually did show my comparison screenshots to several of my friends who don't play the game, and all of them had pretty much the same reaction I did. Furthermore, I really need everyone in these threads to please differentiate from expressing upset and being rude. Saying I hate the changes is not rude. Dismissing people out of hand, like the person I was replying to was doing, is. I just made my own topic going over the minute details that I take issue with, so you're welcome to comment on my feedback there.

I would like to see the wording because if you led them on as to what to look for or what your grievances were it may have impacted their perception because when I showed the picture of your character in the thread you made to an unsuspecting person this is the response I got:



I will translate for you:
"It looks like a vampire that belongs to the aristocracy."

There is no mention whatsoever of hey thats not the same character or are you sure? They look kind of different to me. He did not question the fact he was looking at the same thing in both pictures. This comparison definitely passed the stranger test with flying colors.

[Fuyume]

I would like to see the wording because if you led them on as to what to look for or what your grievances were it may have impacted their perception because when I showed the picture of your character in the thread you made to an unsuspecting person this is the response I got:



I will translate for you:
"It looks like a vampire that belongs to the aristocracy."

There is no mention whatsoever of hey thats not the same character or are you sure? They look kind of different to me. He did not question the fact he was looking at the same thing in both pictures. This comparison definitely passed the stranger test with flying colors.

Not the original person you were replying to, but I showed my character to my husband with the before and after and he said it looked like she was constantly holding air in her cheeks. So sure, same character, but also not looking the same. And I'll be walking through DT with her looking like she's holding her breath with these round cheeks and dimpled mouth corners.
https://imgur.com/a/ne2RiCu

[Ath192]

Not the original person you were replying to, but I showed my character to my husband with the before and after and he said it looked like she was constantly holding air in her cheeks. So sure, same character, but also not looking the same. And I'll be walking through DT with her looking like she's holding her breath with these round cheeks and dimpled mouth corners.
https://imgur.com/a/ne2RiCu

It's hard to know if the light is reflecting like that because in both pics 2 and 3 you have a light source shining directly on your character (sun and the CC studio light) and picture 1 doesn't. Try changing the skin color one tone down in the character creation. It may make it a lot close to the OG. The problem too is the hair isn't the same, and where the hairline starts/recedes does changing the perceived facial structure of an individual so this one is harder because there are more variables to take into account.

Confronted with this situation I would definitely try a darker skin tone and make a comment about how the lighting is reflecting the skin as others have, but I would still feel the update was a net benefit and not asking for rollbacks and delays as some people seem to be.

Even in the current game I can make my character look downright awful in really bright lighting conditions.

[Fuyume]

It's hard to know if the light is reflecting like that because in both pics 2 and 3 you have a light source shining directly on your character (sun and the CC studio light) and picture 1 doesn't. Try changing the skin color one tone down in the character creation. It may make it a lot close to the OG. The problem too is the hair isn't the same, and where the hairline starts/recedes does changing the perceived facial structure of an individual so this one is harder because there are more variables to take into account.

Confronted with this situation I would definitely try a darker skin tone and make a comment about how the lighting is reflecting the skin as others have, but I would still feel the update was a net benefit and not asking for rollbacks and delays as some people seem to be.

Even in the current game I can make my character look downright awful in really bright lighting conditions.

Okay, I have recreated the screenshot of the CC as closely as possible in the live game (unfortunately doing the same for the mid trailer screen is more difficult).
Live

Benchmark


Her face is undeniably more round and less angular than in live and it completely changes her visual personality. And her cheeks are still puffed out and she still has unnecessary dimples added when compared to live where there are no dimples and no puffy cheeks. She looks like a softer character, but she's a DRK. I designed her originally to reflect that. And she still looks like she's holding air in her cheeks.

ETA the two images edited right next to each other for easy comparison:

[Ath192]

Okay, I have recreated the screenshot of the CC as closely as possible in the live game (unfortunately doing the same for the mid trailer screen is more difficult).
Live

Benchmark


Her face is undeniably more round and less angular than in live and it completely changes her visual personality. And her cheeks are still puffed out and she still has unnecessary dimples added when compared to live where there are no dimples and no puffy cheeks. She looks like a softer character, but she's a DRK. I designed her originally to reflect that. And she still looks like she's holding air in her cheeks.

ETA the two images edited right next to each other for easy comparison:

Here you go, I plugged into photoshop and boosted the brightness by 50% and sharpened the picture to mimic more HDness feel free to recreate if you need to verify this.



While the changes are there and subtle the mouth mainly, I see the same softness come out in the photoshopped picture than the graphics update, her cheeks, because they are brighter now, seem more puffed out too. The original picture is just darker so it gives it a more edgy vibe/makes the face look slimmer.

Adding even more brightness = even more puffed cheeks

[GoatOfWar]

It's hard to know if the light is reflecting like that because in both pics 2 and 3 you have a light source shining directly on your character (sun and the CC studio light) and picture 1 doesn't. Try changing the skin color one tone down in the character creation. It may make it a lot close to the OG. The problem too is the hair isn't the same, and where the hairline starts/recedes does changing the perceived facial structure of an individual so this one is harder because there are more variables to take into account.

Confronted with this situation I would definitely try a darker skin tone and make a comment about how the lighting is reflecting the skin as others have, but I would still feel the update was a net benefit and not asking for rollbacks and delays as some people seem to be.

Even in the current game I can make my character look downright awful in really bright lighting conditions.

I'd take a delay if it means i can still play as the same character tbh.
Just look at what they did to my baby.

https://imgur.com/a/6gAKOP7

It's a completely different character.

[Loggos]

I'd take a delay if it means i can still play as the same character tbh.
Just look at what they did to my baby.

https://imgur.com/a/6gAKOP7

It's a completely different character.

Wow, the area where the upper and the lower lips meet almost look like a straight line in the benchmark, whereas in the current version the part of the upper lip, that meets the lower lip, has a lot more definition. Kind of a "wave-y" shape with a dip in the middle. It does look completely different.