We need to compromise as a player base

[Ath192]

Please keep posting technical and jarring issues you are finding that need to be addressed. However, lets keep in mind that upgrading the graphics is a net benefit to the game and if some changes alter the looks somewhat and are subjective we will have to compromise to make sure this game can go into the future along with us. I'm sure we'll find something we like with the phantasia and especially if they revamp the character creator in the future.

So the message I'm trying to convey is lets not make the devs regret their decision to attempt this and decide to never do it again. As players, we need to keep pointing out issues but be supportive of this direction to change the game for the better.

I want to reiterate that despite issues, this is a graphical update we want to happen, and of course we would like ongoing improvements and refinements because it's not perfect.

So thank you devs for doing this, and please pay attention to our feedback, regardless, know that upgrading the graphics to the game was the correct decision and of course its going to be a bumpy road, but outside the forums where we come to complain a lot of people are really excited and can't wait until dawntrail, so lets keep improving the character models and rest assured we are more excited than scared about the future.

[HeyMcFly]

I feel like my miqo won the lotto in the beauty upgrade- but while some of the changes are very jarring to others faces or even more of a downgrade; I can only hope there are no rollbacks and instead, we get further improvements!
I agree with what you're saying though & it does seem like many people are on the same page while there are a few who have outlandish requests imo and others being incredibly rude. There are people who are not being constructive with their feedback and are instead asking for downgrades.
I hope the devs reach out soon & discuss what sort of further improvements we'll get to our characters- regardless of player upset. I'm foreseeing this to be the Viera fiasco again- when we were told we'd get more unique hairstyles for them in replace of the fact they'll never get hats but players foolishly said No, and now viera are stuck with alot of unflattering old hairstyles and still no hats.

With all of that being said, I do think it'd have helped if we'd been given more insight as to what each face looks like instead of just a few examples (which were enhanced when we were shown). And had we been further given context as to where to give feedback, (because yoshi-p has said he doesn't listen to reddit) because we have no real clue where to post to get devs attention or what stipulations are required to get their attention, there would be less negative feedback.

But yes, I am looking forward to the update & can hardly wait to see my miqo in DT!

[nordiclania]

I agree. I have voiced my concerns about my female Vieira's updated look in the benchmark. At the moment, I hope for some tweaks, eventually.

However, despite my personal feelings, I am very happy about, and look forward to this update. I'm excited to experience how the (new) world will look and feel.

By no means do I wish to discourage the dev team, considering all the hard work they put in. I love and respect them all. Change can feel awkward but is also inevitable. I think it will be alright in the end, and I am just glad that we have a dev team that listens to their player base.

[Kaurhz]

I'm overall content. The only thing you need to consider is that character reworks and changes are always going to spark issues because it is their identity and the medium with which they interact with the game. I would hope that the developers understand this much, and that because of this fact it will always be difficult to please everyone, but shouldn't be a deterrent. When it comes to characters you're always going to displease as many people as you please, tbh.

[Sazumi]

While I'm super supportive of them trying to keep the game looking great and advancing it further, I also think its equally important for them to listen to their playerbase. Saying we should simply compromise when they've completely ruined some faces doesn't feel right. I'm certain that they can listen whilst also doing their best to continue forward. Having to settle isn't ideal. It's nice of them to give us a fantasia, but essentially saying "hey, here's a fantasia please alter your character you've played with for x years" feels dishonest at best. I am hopeful they will listen to feedback, work on things, and continue their long path of smoothing things out.

[NanaWiloh]

This statement can be found on benchmark page under the update section "After the release of the benchmark, we will continue to make improvements to the game's visual fidelity in the lead up to the release of FINAL FANTASY XIV: Dawntrail."
So they are continuing working on graphical improvements both with character models and the game at large. But like any dev team what gets fixed before launch will based on priority, So something like making fangs longer would be very low priority or putting the gleam back in character eyes.

[noumen0nn]

I’m sorry, but I don’t agree. People have every right to express their upset, and it is not our job to tone police ourselves so that the devs don’t get scared of trying new things. Many people, myself included, are extremely unhappy with how our characters look, and nebulous ideas about “bringing the game into the future” are not worth the heartbreak of feeling like you’re losing a character you’ve grown attached to for years. Update the graphics, sure, but don’t take our characters from us.

[DekaiTsuna88]

I'm happy with all the graphical updates they have showcased so far. But changing the design of the characters isn't what they promised.

Few examples of design changes:
- Dilated pupils on F Au Ra.
- Smaller pupils on Veena Viera.
- Fuller lips all across the board.
- Mid Hyur beards being less visible.
- Scars look like a hair strand.
- Removed static eye highlights.

These does not look like incidents or byproducts of the graphic updates. It looks like a person or a team with full conscious decided to change the design in the process of reworking the character 3D models.
Yoshi-P himself stated that they will try to make the characters as close as possible with current state, which they clearly failed to do so on the benchmark build. A free fantasia is honestly isn't even worth a consolation prize for people who have grown attached to their characters and only found their characters to be unrecognizable no matter how much they tinkered with the options. No free fantasia can fix that and nothing can justify compromising on promises they broke themselves.

The devs spent too much time paying attention to environments while neglecting on the characters.

[NanaWiloh]

Game developers dont make promises. They state wants,goals and aims none of which are promises and never will be.

[Larirawiel]

I guess, after two weeks of playing with the new character models, most players will be OK with them. Some changes are simply fixed bugs like the lip gap on some Miqo and Hyur faces or buggy normal maps on some Elezen faces or the two white dots in the eyes of most characters or jagged lips etc.



Cheers