7.0 Healer Wishlist

[Aravell]

How could I possibly lay the blame solely on the developers when every time players will complain how their job is designed yet keep on logging in and playing it, almost like the issue isn't even a big deal. If players don't find it that big of a deal, why would the developers? It's like standing in line to get slapped in the face only to get slapped, stand up and then go back in the same line and complain about it.

I think this is a majorly flawed argument. Players do not have the ability to make any changes to the game, that is solely within the developer's rights. The developers are meant to receive and incorporate feedback into their design, they shouldn't be simply looking at engagement metrics and taking that as truth, not everyone who engages in something enjoys it to the fullest, and assuming such is incredibly foolish.

Regardless, a boycott only works if the vast majority agrees with the reason for the boycott, but none of us on the forums are the majority, not the pro-dps options side, not the anti-dps options side, the truth is that the vast majority don't care either way. You can log in tomorrow and see all healers now only have 2 buttons, 'Do a heal' and 'Throw a rock', people will still play the role as long as it's flashy and sparkly. In the same vein, you can log in tomorrow and see that SGE is now extremely complex and you have to individually micro all 4 nouliths separately to play the job, you will still see Diagnosis bots in your expert roulette.

Point being, saying "It's your fault for still playing if you want change" is as flawed as saying "Don't buy from the cash shop if you don't like it", neither helps unless you can get the vast majority to care one way or another.

Also, it is well within our rights as consumers to give our feedback, whether or not we still engage with the product.

[Zaytex]

Let's go further. 7.0 is locked in, Media Tour is going to consist of mostly Tank and DPS mains with little Healer representation and the little representation that will be there will be people who will make one or two comments about healer and move on. Any questions regarding healer design will be so soft ball that you'd think it was made of jello because when it comes to healers no one really has a spine. Then on release after basically playing the same barely changed job, the healer community will whine and complain and do absolutely nothing about it but wait until the next expansion to start the entire cycle over again.

How could I possibly lay the blame solely on the developers when every time players will complain how their job is designed yet keep on logging in and playing it, almost like the issue isn't even a big deal. If players don't find it that big of a deal, why would the developers? It's like standing in line to get slapped in the face only to get slapped, stand up and then go back in the same line and complain about it.

It's not looking good, the benchmark trailer has AST/WHM with what looks like upgrades to medica 2 + aspected helios, Sage getting an upgrade to Toxikon, and Scholar getting an aoe strategem (?).

[Supersnow845]

I’m a big doomer as I’m sure you all know but I do think we may be getting a bit out of hand even if the treatment of healers justifies our mistrust

The EW benchmark showed

WHM- medica 1 and aquaveil
AST- fall malefic
SCH- protraction
SGE- prognosis

Even though EW did functionally nothing for healer design the good buttons we did get (expedient and macrocosmos mostly) weren’t shown in the benchmark

So even if that was say AOE chain that’s not going to be SCH’s big button for the expansion, if it ends up being another heal that’s disappointing but I think there is a chance considering for at least 2 healers they showed off a damage/debuff and it’s only the benchmark when EW functionally only showed off heals

[Aravell]

Even though EW did functionally nothing for healer design the good buttons we did get (expedient and macrocosmos mostly) weren’t shown in the benchmark

So even if that was say AOE chain that’s not going to be SCH’s big button for the expansion, if it ends up being another heal that’s disappointing but I think there is a chance considering for at least 2 healers they showed off a damage/debuff and it’s only the benchmark when EW functionally only showed off heals

There's a chance that the AoE Chain isn't even a new button, they could've just made Chain AoE, just like the NIN's bigger hellfrog could be AoE Trick Attack.

Either way, what we get in DT is definitely already set in stone, so we can only hope that the media tour shows something good.

[rawker]

It might even be Biolysis II reusing Chain Stratagem SFX and animation.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

It might even be Biolysis II reusing Chain Stratagem SFX and animation.

Quite unlikely IMHO because the SCH exudes that odd aqua blue windy VFX when they initiate the action which is a 9 out of 10 typical thing for most oGCD actions in the game (Whereas a brief yellow flash on the character usually indicates a GCD Weaponskill).

There IS some few exceptions though. GCD action like Art of Wars is one of them but that's probably because the action itself originates from the old Aura Blast from PvP SCH which was an oGCD. Or Afflatus Misery for some reason...

[benji42]

How could I possibly lay the blame solely on the developers when every time players will complain how their job is designed yet keep on logging in and playing it, almost like the issue isn't even a big deal. If players don't find it that big of a deal, why would the developers? It's like standing in line to get slapped in the face only to get slapped, stand up and then go back in the same line and complain about it.

Because people complaining aren't playing the same jobs, I have just stopped using them in roulettes after leveling them, and only do in harder content when it's actually fun. The people who are continuing to play healers in all content are not really the ones complaining.

[Derio]

I have no faith in the healer updates for DT. Upgrades of the additional 1 buttom spam and the 30s DOT. Upgrades of the existing 1 button AOE. And 2 new healing spells per job as a capstone ability for level 100.

I am not a healer main by no means but do occasionally play WHM and Sage and my biggest gripe with healing in dungeons, leveling in particular is how late healers get simple AOE abilities and OGCD healing/damage abilities.

Hopefully there is a developer or group of developers who took a deep dive into healers and made some better changes to benefit the role as a whole with not only the endgame gameplay but the leveling.

[Niroken]

Also, it is well within our rights as consumers to give our feedback, whether or not we still engage with the product.

I look forward to your feedback for many more years to come because "Lets complain while nothing happens and then complain some more" is also as flawed and also doesn't help unless you can get the vast majority to care one way or another.

I guess people have their own way of coping with this situation.

[Supersnow845]

I look forward to your feedback for many more years to come because "Lets complain while nothing happens and then complain some more" is also as flawed and also doesn't help unless you can get the vast majority to care one way or another.

I guess people have their own way of coping with this situation.

So since we are the role that has the most conflict between two different visions for the role that makes it harder to unify everyone on something we should just accept that means we all get beige nothingness that neither side enjoys

I would at this point genuinely prefer sylphie healing over what we have now because at least half the debate is being catered to rather than nobody