What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Supersnow845]

As long as the warrior of light is far closer to zenos than the writers admit it can be forced to make sense. All it requires is inheriting the unhealthy obsession with finding a "good fight" at any cost. This would retroactively mean the wol sacrificed the bozja guys to gunnhildr for the sake of a better opponent, but is that really worse than standing there with a revolver/bow/staff/whatever in hand and letting her monologue for no reason? Alsorom a pure laziness standpoint, getting captured by a generic bandit might be the fastest way to reach the bandit leader, requiring only complete apathy to safety or collateral damage.

Maybe they could add an "uninterrupted tedium" buff for a boss fight that does nothing but reduce attack potency and movement speed until the boss changes phase, deals notable damage to a player or something making them worth paying attention to.

That would imply that the WOL is the same as Zenos which the game goes to great pains to show he is not (something that garlemald actually does well) that the old saying “we judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their actions” is flawed. The WOL IS better than Zenos and has actually reasons to try to fight for what’s right, even if they still leave an ocean of blood in their wake

The entire game is trying to say that the “we are the same” answer you can give to Zenos is wrong

[Absurdity]

The entire game is trying to say that the “we are the same” answer you can give to Zenos is wrong

I don't think it is entirely wrong.
The WoL is still a bit of a blank slate. We go along with everything the Scions do but rarely is our motivation for it explored. It might look like we're fighting for what's right and morally good because that's usually the outcome of our actions, but why do we do it?

I actually quite liked the Zenos fight at the end for that reason. It felt like he was asking me, the player, the adventurer, why I was doing what I was doing, not the hero that everyone forces us to be.

The game might call me the saviour of the world, the warrior of light, but only because that is literally what the game's story forces you to be, the is no other option.

But I as my own character am actually a lot closer to Zenos than the game makes us out to be, I am in it for the challenge, the thrill, the hunt.

[Carin-Eri]

I don't think it is entirely wrong.
The WoL is still a bit of a blank slate. We go along with everything the Scions do but rarely is our motivation for it explored. It might look like we're fighting for what's right and morally good because that's usually the outcome of our actions, but why do we do it?

I actually quite liked the Zenos fight at the end for that reason. It felt like he was asking me, the player, the adventurer, why I was doing what I was doing, not the hero that everyone forces us to be.

The game might call me the saviour of the world, the warrior of light, but only because that is literally what the game's story forces you to be, the is no other option.

But I as my own character am actually a lot closer to Zenos than the game makes us out to be, I am in it for the challenge, the thrill, the hunt.

Agreed. I actually rather liked how that played out. He was right about us, when he identified/referred to our '"adventurer" roots and recognised that we were heroes through circumstance and a need/desire to do the right thing, rather than choice. For me, the only answer to his question that wasn't dishonest was "That, I can't deny" when he tells us he knows what we are.

At the edge of the universe, all other threats extinguished and with a clear mind, she can finally be a little selfish and admit, with a smirk, that she does love the challenge of a good fight - and when he does fight us he truly doesn't hold anything back. He pours everything he is into that fight, and so do we.

[fulminating]

That would imply that the WOL is the same as Zenos which the game goes to great pains to show he is not (something that garlemald actually does well) that the old saying “we judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their actions” is flawed. The WOL IS better than Zenos and has actually reasons to try to fight for what’s right, even if they still leave an ocean of blood in their wake

The entire game is trying to say that the “we are the same” answer you can give to Zenos is wrong

Could you not look at it as the only times when it wouldn't be a social faux pas to pal around with zenos are when the wol and he are alone at the edge of reality and alone in a romantic rooftop rendezvous? I'm sure the scions wouldn't be as eager to provide things to fight after a social misstep like that.