After 1 (arguably 2) expansions what is square trying to achieve with WAR (and PLD)?

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

PLD: Can we also get Convalescence back?

Warrior handing the Paladin the half-eaten Convalescence Burrito

*only 10%, only self healing effects*

[GoatOfWar]

PLD: Can we also get Convalescence back?

Of course not, that would singlehandedly ruin Warrior.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Of course not, that would singlehandedly ruin Warrior.

I am looking forward to the day where Holmgang becomes a 300s CD and the collective malding of all WAR players being able to drown out the noise of a running jet engine.

[rawker]

Warrior handing the Paladin the half-eaten Convalescence Burrito

*only 10%, only self healing effects*

Of course not, that would singlehandedly ruin Warrior.

PLD: Laughs in Lalafell

[GoatOfWar]

I am looking forward to the day where Holmgang becomes a 300s CD and the collective malding of all WAR players being able to drown out the noise of a running jet engine.

They'd still have the best invuln, partywide and overall utility.

[rawker]

Gradual normalization of WAR utilities so that it is easier for the spoiled children to digest

[Commander_Justitia]

making role actions/crossskills was a mistake; identity, cool animations and uniqueness gone
it feels too balanced

bosses need to hit like a truck, less selfheal, I want healers to heal

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

They'd still have the best invuln, partywide and overall utility.

Actually if their invuln would be 300s, it would have parity with Living Dead - which is a self-solving invuln, of which the caviat would only be if you were to use it when you literally cannot attack anything.

If you ask me, at that point this would make Living Dead better (in a vacuum) as you'd need to either invest healer CDs or Equilibrium / Thrill / Bloodwhetting heals to heal the gap in your HP.

Also the actual importance here is that you'd no longer have a 240s invuln to break certain things in a fight that other tanks cannot, which matters a lot more than whatever WAR's kit can do to recover for Holmgang.

[Absurdity]

Actually if their invuln would be 300s, it would have parity with Living Dead - which is a self-solving invuln, of which the caviat would only be if you were to use it when you literally cannot attack anything.

If you ask me, at that point this would make Living Dead better (in a vacuum) as you'd need to either invest healer CDs or Equilibrium / Thrill / Bloodwhetting heals to heal the gap in your HP.

Also the actual importance here is that you'd no longer have a 240s invuln to break certain things in a fight that other tanks cannot, which matters a lot more than whatever WAR's kit can do to recover for Holmgang.

That would go against their "WAR is the source of all problems" narrative however.

[GoatOfWar]

Actually if their invuln would be 300s, it would have parity with Living Dead - which is a self-solving invuln, of which the caviat would only be if you were to use it when you literally cannot attack anything.

If you ask me, at that point this would make Living Dead better (in a vacuum) as you'd need to either invest healer CDs or Equilibrium / Thrill / Bloodwhetting heals to heal the gap in your HP.

Also the actual importance here is that you'd no longer have a 240s invuln to break certain things in a fight that other tanks cannot, which matters a lot more than whatever WAR's kit can do to recover for Holmgang.

Warrior has all that healing in it's basic toolkit, so it doesn't need any of it.
It would just create a failstate that Holmgang doesn't have.