Yoshi-P: "If you want more engaging content, go play Ultimate"

[Supersnow845]

And what's wrong with that? The hardest content in the game should very much stress your resources to the point that you can't just burn everything on damage. If you die because you ED when you should've Indom, so what? You learned something new, do better next time.

You say free healing isn't the problem and insist that SCH's choice is the problem, but absent of thie choice, every job will put out absurd healing power. The right move is to tax every job for healing, not remove the tax on the one job thats designed well.

All the free healing is precisely why all the other healers can be "chadded" in the first place. If a WHM/AST/SGE can fully heal the entire fight without losing any damage, then why would anyone care that the SCH isn't healing? Back in SB, after the AST buffs, they could soloheal savage too, it was regarded as bad design back then, but now everyone is just absolutely spoiled by free healing that they think losing damage to heal is bad design.

Exactly when AST was given free reign to basically solo the raid healing in SB then in ShB both WHM and SCH fought over DPS loss healing the answer should have been to give AST a penalty, not remove the penalty from WHM and make another healer that’s basically just nocturnal AST from ShB but with even more healing

Part of the complexity of healer damage should come from knowing when you have to “lose” damage to heal, no matter how good you make the damage rotation it’s not good if the damage rotation is just stapled onto a wealth of free healing you never have to actually consider when you are using it and why you are using it, it’s why cleric stance while terrible in execution actually had a good idea in theory. You could staple BLM’s rotation onto SGE and it would still be boring from a healer perspective because I’m still never considering anything to do with my healing and when I need to drop my damage to heal

[Cpt_hater]

Yes and that difference of energy drain is not much about 3% of the SCH’s total damage, that still doesn’t remotely affect my point

ED in our current reality - not in paper situations - doesn't have any meaningful weight in the total result ("Kudos" to CBU 3 for their tireless efforts in destroying any positive impact from this button) to the point it may as well not exist

it’s an optimisation mechanism that would break SCH if it got deleted

Oh! In actual reality, the world will not end after that
That concept is considered too dangerous and hard by CBU 3 (judging by their lack of any progress and creativity and positive movement into even ED's gameplay direction for SIX YEARS since the wonderful global healer rework (And I'm afraid 3 more years in Dawntrail)... and attempts to reduce the gains of ED as much as possible)

It is better to start with making us a small, independent and self-sufficient dps rotation (maybe allow ourselves to be a little daring and sprinkle it with procs and etc.) without changing the total potency of jobs -- there were some real good ideas by Forsaken Roe, for example -- simply to have something during our filler moments. Then we can see where it goes
Instead of making me spam a single nuke 130+ times and have the nerve to call it a gameplay

SCH wins in almost every category, higher damage, better shields, more mitigation, better utility

Mr. Supernow845, I still want to see proofs which back up that statement -- can you at least answer my Question in previous post?
Or are you going to continue your dodging by using demagogy and "I just feel like it" vibes when you are given statistics

[Cpt_hater]

And what's wrong with that? The hardest content in the game should very much stress your resources to the point that you can't just burn everything on damage. If you die because you ED when you should've Indom, so what? You learned something new, do better next time.

It actually already does it here and there, sad part is that you don't even play it
It was proven by Abyssos that your usual raider-healer can't handle even those healing (in truth mitigation due to scripted nature of this game and its code) requirements. Now imagine them burdened by the constant choice of either dump your heal into dps or do your first priority task instead
I am happy that you are so good, so skilled and want incoming damage to burn every single resource on heals, but remind yourself from time to time that other people exist and the major contingent is not on raider's level. Not even on extreme farmer's. Even the ones you meet in savages are often only able to perform at current general difficulty.

[Supersnow845]

ED in our current reality - not in paper situations - doesn't have any meaningful weight in the total result ("Kudos" to CBU 3 for their tireless efforts in destroying any positive impact from this button) to the point it may as well not exist


Oh! In actual reality, the world will not end after that
That concept is considered too dangerous and hard by CBU 3 (judging by their lack of any progress and creativity and positive movement into even ED's gameplay direction for SIX YEARS since the wonderful global healer rework (And I'm afraid 3 more years in Dawntrail)... and attempts to reduce the gains of ED as much as possible)

It is better to start with making us a small, independent and self-sufficient dps rotation (maybe allow ourselves to be a little daring and sprinkle it with procs and etc.) without changing the total potency of jobs -- there were some real good ideas by Forsaken Roe, for example -- simply to have something during our filler moments. Then we can see where it goes
Instead of making me spam a single nuke 130+ times and have the nerve to call it a gameplay


Mr. Supernow845, I still want to see proofs which back up that statement -- can you at least answer my Question in previous post?
Or are you going to continue your dodging by using demagogy and "I just feel like it" vibes when you are given statistics

Are you the same guy as before, are you using a different account to dodge post limits because otherwise I am confused as hell, I’m gonna go with the assumption you are the same person

Point 1) can you please pick a lane for your opinion of energy drain, you have spent 10 posts arguing the energy drain is a massive contribution for its 5% when we have all said that that isn’t really meaningful, the 5% is a useful optimisation amount but it’s not worth chasing your cohealer, that’s the entire point

Point 2) you’ll hear no disagreement with me, I’ve argued about healer DPS problems as long as we have had the modern healers, energy drain isn’t the totality of SCH’s complexity nor should it be, I would 100% trade energy drain for a more complex DPS kit but they have to balance how much that would break SCH’s HPS if they did that way

Point 3) the proofs are literally in the logs you yourself constantly refer to, SCH is first in rDPS at the max percentile in near every fight (otherwise it’s AST) SGE wins in lower percentiles, that’s literally how rDPS is designed to be balanced, I don’t know how else to describe that to you; the last time I tried to explain that to you you went off on a tangent about what percentage of different percentiles total aetherflow was spent on energy drain, as for shields critlo dwarfs anything SGE puts out, SCH has one extra mitigation in fey illumination and it gets better utility as expedience has no counter and SCH more strongly benefits from single target healing up because it can spread critlo

It actually already does it here and there, sad part is that you don't even play it
It was proven by Abyssos that your usual raider-healer can't handle even those healing (in truth mitigation due to scripted nature of this game and its code) requirements. Now imagine them burdened by the constant choice of either dump your heal into dps or do your first priority task instead
I am happy that you are so good, so skilled and want incoming damage to burn every single resource on heals, but remind yourself from time to time that other people exist and the major contingent is not on raider's level. Not even on extreme farmer's. Even the ones you meet in savages are often only able to perform at current general difficulty.

And for the 918450158285915918th time abyssos I as caused by the DPS refusing to mitigate even though they hold 50% of the total mitigation, we weren’t wiping in abyssos because the SCH used energy drain over sacred soil, we were wiping because the DPS and tanks would refuse to press their mitigation then demand the healer succor spam the dot that was chunking 50% of their HP per tick, there is a big difference there

[Aravell]

It actually already does it here and there, sad part is that you don't even play it
It was proven by Abyssos that your usual raider-healer can't handle even those healing (in truth mitigation due to scripted nature of this game and its code) requirements. Now imagine them burdened by the constant choice of either dump your heal into dps or do your first priority task instead

Uh huh, I don't even play the content, huh? Sure, keep telling yourself that. This is an alt btw, precisely for people like you who go stalking logs to try and discredit a person who made a point that you don't like.

That said, "Abyssos increased the healing requirements" is one of the biggest lies told in FFXIV. The damage profile of Abyssos is ultimately very similar to other tiers, only the spikes are higher and there's ambient DoT damage after the spikes, also this supposed higher damage barely tickles any tank that isn't a PLD. You want to know what actual high damage looks like? Neo Exdeath, Almagest, you either heavily mitigate it or power through with healing, none of this half-ass bleeding DoT from Abyssos.

But yes, dismiss my arguments with a "Wow, you're soooooooo good" and build a strawman in my honour that you tear down instead of actually reading and addressing my arguments. People like you are why the forums are a joke.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Lmaooo Energy Drain so scawwy~

Y’know what, buff Energy Drains to 350p per shot Since folks hating it for not being worthwhile of a spender..

[Absurdity]

Friendly reminder that they nerfed Energy Drain in Shadowbringers with the reasoning that Scholar's were spending all their resources on DPS and making their co-healer do all the work, but then you looked at actual hard data (logs) and saw that Scholar also did the majority of effective healing.

[Aravell]

Friendly reminder that they nerfed Energy Drain in Shadowbringers with the reasoning that Scholar's were spending all their resources on DPS and making their co-healer do all the work, but then you looked at actual hard data (logs) and saw that Scholar also did the majority of effective healing.

If I was a cynical person, I'd say that the dev team designed the other 3 healers with tons of absolutely free healing just so they can actually be correct when pointing at SCH and saying "SEE!? They're making their cohealer do most of the work!".

Yes, I am a cynical person. Yes, I think that's exactly what they're trying to do so they can delete Energy Drain and justify it. Prove me wrong, Yoshida.

[ty_taurus]

If I was a cynical person, I'd say that the dev team designed the other 3 healers with tons of absolutely free healing just so they can actually be correct when pointing at SCH and saying "SEE!? They're making their cohealer do most of the work!".

Yes, I am a cynical person. Yes, I think that's exactly what they're trying to do so they can delete Energy Drain and justify it. Prove me wrong, Yoshida.

I think they've acccepted that Energy Drain is a part of Scholar and can't be removed comfortably without more drastically changing Aetherflow and how it works. So rather than removing it, they nerfed the damage and removed the MP restoration effect, significantly damaging the elements that made it a cohesive part of Scholar's gameplay, with the effort to make the value of Energy Drain as small as possible so that it statistically "doesn't exist." It's there to retain the feeling of its use without actually committing to it offering value. It's like a stale doughnut in that sense--a bunch of empty calories that offer no nutrition value but tastes fine. Energy Drain will probably never get a buff, never be upgraded with a new animation, never be iterated upon again. It will simply be left there to avoid the consequences of removing it completely.

[Allegor]

I mean, isn't SGE's addersgall basically what they wanted ED to be used as? they're functionally WHM lilies, but on not-SCH