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    SieyaM's Avatar
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    Sieya Mizuno
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    Gilgamesh
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    Arcanist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by seolhyun View Post
    the easiest class is always the most popular lol that means nothing
    Yeah, the dev team should totally appeal to the least amount of players that just want a class for clout because it's convoluted and as a result difficult to play.
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    Gisela Thorne
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    Zodiark
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    Black Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by SieyaM View Post
    Yeah, the dev team should totally appeal to the least amount of players that just want a class for clout because it's convoluted and as a result difficult to play.
    How about making it fun to play instead of mindless?

    You can take your logic to the extreme of adding a literal god mode job, and still argue there must be nothing wrong with it because everyone uses it, so anyone who disagrees is just a clout chasing elitist.

    EDIT: This game doesn't even have jobs that are so hard that anyone thinks they have bragging points, where is this insecurity even coming from? I've seen literally zero players with superiority complexes about their chosen class in this game (unless you count certain tanks, but that's less about job/role difficulty). The only thing people are complaining about is jobs becoming so shallow they simply aren't fun to play anymore, who is this strawman who wants "clout"?
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    Last edited by ThorneDynasty; 03-29-2024 at 03:25 AM.

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    Arlo Nine-tails
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    Mateus
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by ThorneDynasty View Post
    How about making it fun to play instead of mindless?

    You can take your logic to the extreme of adding a literal god mode job, and still argue there must be nothing wrong with it because everyone uses it, so anyone who disagrees is just a clout chasing elitist.

    EDIT: This game doesn't even have jobs that are so hard that anyone thinks they have bragging points, where is this insecurity even coming from? I've seen literally zero players with superiority complexes about their chosen class in this game (unless you count certain tanks, but that's less about job/role difficulty). The only thing people are complaining about is jobs becoming so shallow they simply aren't fun to play anymore, who is this strawman who wants "clout"?
    That's what I want for the job: take what they made with the job fantasy in Endwalker but add meaningful mechanics and gameplay.

    I'm not holding my breath /a lot/ though. I don't think they'd just admit they did a bad job with the gameplay redesign. The only thing that I think it's a given is that level 91-100 additions can only bring more into the current design, but I'm not sure if that will be enough, but who knows. Media tour in May probably will shed some light on that.
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    Discount Hrothgar
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    Zalera
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    Botanist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Raikai View Post
    That's what I want for the job: take what they made with the job fantasy in Endwalker but add meaningful mechanics and gameplay.

    I'm not holding my breath /a lot/ though. I don't think they'd just admit they did a bad job with the gameplay redesign. The only thing that I think it's a given is that level 91-100 additions can only bring more into the current design, but I'm not sure if that will be enough, but who knows. Media tour in May probably will shed some light on that.
    Problem being that even if its 91-100 skills miraculously turn the job around and make it a delight to play you're still going to be spending 7/8ths of your roulette time synced into 1-90 content.
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    Raikai's Avatar
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    Arlo Nine-tails
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    Mateus
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by vetch View Post
    Problem being that even if its 91-100 skills miraculously turn the job around and make it a delight to play you're still going to be spending 7/8ths of your roulette time synced into 1-90 content.
    Yeah, that's exactly why I think it's just not enough: Pre-88 play is really bad, among other things like Phoenix being a carbon copy of Bahamut for no good reason. Did they run out of ideas on how to make the Firebird Trance unique?
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    Andreas Cestelle
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    Jenova
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Raikai View Post
    Yeah, that's exactly why I think it's just not enough: Pre-88 play is really bad, among other things like Phoenix being a carbon copy of Bahamut for no good reason. Did they run out of ideas on how to make the Firebird Trance unique?
    They actively made firebird trance worse given that in ShB at the very least it differentiated itself from Bahamut by being a 1-2 rather than just spamming 111111111
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