Please stop alienating the playerbase with job total reworks

[Aravell]

This discussion has gotten out of hand. Nobody is saying that the old players are inherently correct, I'm stating that they have a lot more experience with the jobs and systems and their feedback should be considered when making changes. I did not say that everything they say has to be implemented without question.

It's like how when a company wants to put out a new product or make changes to a product, they will survey the older customers to see what they think before any changes are made. If you continue alienating the older users to cater to newer users, they will eventually get fed up and then they're gone. Losing users is never a good thing, no matter how anyone spins it.

The dev team should at least try to listen to the players and consider their feedback when making changes instead of just making whatever changes they want silently while saying "Meh, they would've quit anyway". That's my point.

[BokoToloko]

This discussion has gotten out of hand. Nobody is saying that the old players are inherently correct, I'm stating that they have a lot more experience with the jobs and systems and their feedback should be considered when making changes. I did not say that everything they say has to be implemented without question.

It's like how when a company wants to put out a new product or make changes to a product, they will survey the older customers to see what they think before any changes are made. If you continue alienating the older users to cater to newer users, they will eventually get fed up and then they're gone. Losing users is never a good thing, no matter how anyone spins it.

The dev team should at least try to listen to the players and consider their feedback when making changes instead of just making whatever changes they want silently while saying "Meh, they would've quit anyway". That's my point.

The problem of shielding with the older players excuse comes when that includes people whose biggest concerns were the "theme" or aesthetic and not the actual QoL and gameplay concerns because they didn't have to optimize their classes back then. And it is ALSO important to remember that older players too were the ones bringing up their concerns with the playstyle of classes that were reworked. Summoner and Monks weren't played because they were hard, they weren't played because they had atrocious flaws that discouraged players in all endgame scenes in light of more solid alternatives, like RDM was for SMN. Flaws that were stressed upon even at Heavensward, specially on MNK's side who was always treated as the neglected job. And, unlike BLU, those classes don't get to be the special snowflakes, because they are supposed to be used in current content.

Not only are older players not inherently correct. Posting an opinion under the guise that said opinion involves all older players is straight up disingenuous, when the voices that advocated for substantial changes in many of the classes that were reworked (not all of them, mind you) came precisely from older players too.