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  1. #1141
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    It would also be good to diversify the dps options. Maybe whm would be like blm lite while sge could be like rdm lite while astro could get more things in the way of buffs as well with one extra dps button. The thing is we just want something. The issue with upping the damage means upping the skill floor, which means the barrier to entry will be even higher when then goes against their own accessibility angle that were going for in both shadowbringers and endwalker, There was also the mizzteq interview where he mentioned
    Yoshida did acknowledge that the team doesn’t want to make encounters so difficult that healers are white-knuckling their way through each and every fight. That would be counter to the general push for accessibility in FFXIV. “If we make it too intense, the number of people who can clear the content will be very limited. We don’t want to have a situation where somebody is just healing the whole time or have to have to manage MP constantly,” said Yoshida.
    according to this https://www.fanbyte.com/ffxiv/news/f...sage-endwalker

    But then we have have the mrhappy interview with this bit about the immense pressure for new players. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXkyq_yUMjI

    This reasons are why I keep saying that Yoshi P and his team are either fools, morons, or clueless when it comes to healers. They have no clear vision of where they want to take the role due to them wanting it stay accessible.
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    Potential AST dps mechanic

    When you use Combust, it grants Nova Ready, and transforms into Nova. Nova is just an instant cast spell with some cleave that could potentially deal more damage against enemies suffering from Combust. Add Double Cast from PVP, and now you can now potentially Double Cast Nova.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maltothoris View Post
    This reasons are why I keep saying that Yoshi P and his team are either fools, morons, or clueless when it comes to healers. They have no clear vision of where they want to take the role due to them wanting it stay accessible.
    If it's true they change their healer playtester when they become too good, It's no wonder they have no proper perspective with healers. I'm not saying they should balance around top tier but clearly they have no idea what to do if there really aren't any dedicated healers.
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  4. #1144
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyyninen_kirahvi View Post
    If it's true they change their healer playtester when they become too good, It's no wonder they have no proper perspective with healers. I'm not saying they should balance around top tier but clearly they have no idea what to do if there really aren't any dedicated healers.
    For the last 5 years checks on balance for dungeons have been done by the same team members. The tank is a casual player, the DPS is Yoshida himself as a serious player, the other DPS is project manager M-chan, the healer is a player with experience as far as the Extreme Primal fights, but everyone ended up becoming more skilled than before. Recently the job distribution has been changed up, the healer became too good so a replacement was requested.
    Source: https://www.famitsu.com/news/202203/31256409.html

    I know we all had this discussion before and what not, but it slays me every time I read it. You have to laugh to prevent yourself from crying, you know what I mean?
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    this is my opinion. don't have share my opinion. don't have like my opinion. but know nothing you say or do is gonna make me change my opinion. if don't like that tough.

  5. #1145
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadda View Post
    You are a snake. You were spotted and you slithered away. Such is your nature.
    Uh huh, you expecting a pat on the back and someone to tell you good job?

    Fun fact: Someone who attacks others instead of defending their point are rarely actually able to defend it.

    If what you bolded is your actual point, then all that ranting about "the fake 1%" was entirely unnecessary and I never would've had to correct your misinformation if you never added it into your post in the first place.

    But congratulations! You killed a snake! Hurrah!
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    Quote Originally Posted by OdinelStarrei View Post
    Source: https://www.famitsu.com/news/202203/31256409.html

    I know we all had this discussion before and what not, but it slays me every time I read it. You have to laugh to prevent yourself from crying, you know what I mean?
    That's actually quite comical. (Though I'd be quite proud of being booted from testing for being too good)

    I'm not sure I want to believe the Devs are completely out of their depth in terms of design - but I have heard how they lack healer representation on more than one occasion.
    Some changes to make things more interesting will be appreciated. Should be getting a new skill show case in the coming months before launch. Keep your fingers crossed.
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  7. #1147
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    There was also this interview https://twinfinite.net/ps4/ffxiv-sha...ers-interview/ and during the whole shadowbringers tour, out of 102 questions, only 3 were pertaining to healers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OdinelStarrei View Post
    Source: https://www.famitsu.com/news/202203/31256409.html

    I know we all had this discussion before and what not, but it slays me every time I read it. You have to laugh to prevent yourself from crying, you know what I mean?
    Meanwhile, to add context, Yoshida himself is an Ultimate raider testing those dungeons as a DPS. Apparently he's not too good to consider replacing for the DPS role. So make that make sense.
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    Sage has failed to live up to the fantasy of a sci-fi DPS healer. Please change this for 8.0. Make Sage fast, exciting, and aggressive. It should feel like a healer that plays like a DPS. Empower the aspects of Sage's unique healing mechanics: Kardia and Eukrasia to give its healing playstyle more identity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ty_taurus View Post
    Meanwhile, to add context, Yoshida himself is an Ultimate raider testing those dungeons as a DPS. Apparently he's not too good to consider replacing for the DPS role. So make that make sense.
    I know people meme the heck out of him for that move, but it does make sense to replace the healer once they become good enough to heal extremes if the design goal is to make a dungeon that's easy to clear even for someone who's panicking and doesn't know what any button does.

    It's not a great design goal, but it does make sense in that case, a dps being good or bad has little bearing on how easy dungeons are to heal, especially since their AoE rotations are all extremely simple.

    Now I'm curious if they did their dungeon testing with a WAR or a DRK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    I know people meme the heck out of him for that move, but it does make sense to replace the healer once they become good enough to heal extremes if the design goal is to make a dungeon that's easy to clear even for someone who's panicking and doesn't know what any button does.

    It's not a great design goal, but it does make sense in that case, a dps being good or bad has little bearing on how easy dungeons are to heal, especially since their AoE rotations are all extremely simple.

    Now I'm curious if they did their dungeon testing with a WAR or a DRK.
    I don't completely agree. A part of testing should also include frequency of mistakes in general. An ultimate-raiding DPS is going to read information regarding the fight far more consistently than the average player, especially given his long history of familiarity with how FFXIV communicates mechanics.

    Really, the problem is there shouldn't just be one group that tests these things. You should have multiple groups of testers of varying skill levels, neglecting neither the beginners nor the experts. You should want the mechanics to feel not too hard for the beginners but also not too boring for the experts. Sure the experts are going to find dungeon difficulty in general to be a lot less exciting than stuff like Savage, but there is a world of difference between a boss like Ra-la, and a boss like Frameworker (Smileton 2nd boss). The Smileton should not have released in the state was and your expert testing groups would've told you that if you had some. That doesn't mean make Smileton Dark Souls of course, but even dungeon difficulty shouldn't be that vegetative.
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    Sage has failed to live up to the fantasy of a sci-fi DPS healer. Please change this for 8.0. Make Sage fast, exciting, and aggressive. It should feel like a healer that plays like a DPS. Empower the aspects of Sage's unique healing mechanics: Kardia and Eukrasia to give its healing playstyle more identity.

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