I'm bored when I heal because I need more complex DPS rotations

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Funny how by that logic, suddenly all normal contents aren't 'allowed' to be fun just because they're 'easy'. Even if we end up rectifying the content, why can't both side be fun? Y'know, job AND content?

That aside, I will never comprehend how people think having to... say i.e., a collective total of 63 hours of progging pressing 1 button 68,035 times (aka a total of 47 hours) is sustainable or 'good' in any ways.

[Nadda]

Ah yes, I challenge your argument and you skip straight to the insults, how wonderful.

I never once claimed that I was one of the 1% elites, I said healing savage and ultimates is rote memorisation, you can map the entire fight out and just follow it to the letter repeatedly until you clear, that's not a lie, that's the truth.

But yes, just insult me because I say something that you don't want to hear, that's a delightful tactic that a lot of people in this community enjoy engaging in.

Don't pretend I got your feelings hurt your cutting remarks show your true nature. I didn't attack you I attacked your position, your ego notwithstanding. Or should we all consider disregarding people as disingenuous and presumptuous as cordial discourse? Sure I said to hell with you, because your proposed argument is built on deceit and shrewd venomous words, as you appear in a false sense of self-righteousness. Snake in the grass. If you are to bore any insult from me that'd be it. Your words are venom. Like a snake, you smile with your hidden fangs but I have keen eyes to see you.

If you were being genuine which your form of argumentation was not you'd understand. I know you're not saying you are the 1% of 1% but claiming you're going through the motions on every fight at the highest level of execution is nonsense. It is a lie.
Because there's no conceivable way you're doing that content without focus and executing with flawless precision. To presume otherwise places you at a level that is beyond what is normal even at a high level. So I'm not placing you there. You're placing yourself there. I'm saying that's not normal.


You're still ignoring my proposition which is that Healers need more DPS options and not a rotation.
If you want genuine discourse that's where the conversation is centered. If you don't find some other prey. I'll not be having it.

[Aravell]

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You claim I'm a snake, but you're the one flinging the venom here.
You claim I'm self-righteous, but you're the one acting like you have the high ground.
You're a walking contradiction and I don't know why I even bothered engaging with you. You actually remind me of someone else, they also can't help but hurl insults while pretending to be in the right.

You're right about one thing though, your insults didn't hurt me, they only amused me. Have fun debating with everyone else, I'm no longer going to bother with one who spits venom at supposed "snakes". Peace.

Edit: I can't help but notice you have a very limited bar for what's possible though. Some people do have a very good memory, so they just execute a plan without much active thought, it's not something that's impossible within this world. Just look at streamers, some go quiet and focus hard, but some can engage with their viewers even in ultimate fights, meaning the fights aren't as taxing on their brain as you believe.

[Nadda]

You claim I'm a snake, but you're the one flinging the venom here.
You claim I'm self-righteous, but you're the one acting like you have the high ground.
You're a walking contradiction and I don't know why I even bothered engaging with you. You actually remind me of someone else, they also can't help but hurl insults while pretending to be in the right.

You're right about one thing though, your insults didn't hurt me, they only amused me. Have fun debating with everyone else, I'm no longer going to bother with one who spits venom at supposed "snakes". Peace.

Edit: I can't help but notice you have a very limited bar for what's possible though. Some people do have a very good memory, so they just execute a plan without much active thought, it's not something that's impossible within this world. Just look at streamers, some go quiet and focus hard, but some can engage with their viewers even in ultimate fights, meaning the fights aren't as taxing on their brain as you believe.

You're still ignoring my proposition which is that Healers need more DPS options and not a rotation.
If you want genuine discourse that's where the conversation is centered. If you don't find some other prey. I'll not be having it.

You are a snake. You were spotted and you slithered away. Such is your nature.

[Saraide]

BULL SHEET. Don't make me laugh. You can get by on a very basic rotation and do nothing else. That complexity is about as complex as playing the opening fur else.

It's irrelevant if someone can get through normal mode content by just pressing their 123 and nothing else ever. The point is that someone who is invested into doing an good indepth rotation on DPS can do so even in normal mode. If you find a DPS fun to play, it will be fun even in normal mode content. This isnt true for healers.

[AmiableApkallu]

You're still ignoring my proposition which is that Healers need more DPS options and not a rotation. If you want genuine discourse that's where the conversation is centered.

The discourse moved past that question months and years ago, as best as I've seen.

I can't recall the last time I saw someone propose that healers have a strict rotational loop for their DPS actions. That only works if you strip out GCD heals and rely entirely on oGCDs, similarly to how tanks work with respect to mitigations.

The more common stance is in fact the opposite: dial down the power of oGCDs heals, make GCDs heals interesting again, and increase DPS complexity while preserving the flexibility needed to use GCD heals as needed. (There's also usually a related desire to make fights hit harder.) To the extent that anyone talks about a "rotation" in reference to whatever a healer does when they're not healing, it's a sort of imprecision carried over from the other roles. To the extent that anyone compares healer DPS actions to tank DPS actions, it's to make a point about overall complexity, not the tank's strict rotational DPS loop.

[Saraide]

The discourse moved past that question months and years ago, as best as I've seen.

I can't recall the last time I saw someone propose that healers have a strict rotational loop for their DPS actions. That only works if you strip out GCD heals and rely entirely on oGCDs, similarly to how tanks work with respect to mitigations.

The more common stance is in fact the opposite: dial down the power of oGCDs heals, make GCDs heals interesting again, and increase DPS complexity while preserving the flexibility needed to use GCD heals as needed. (There's also usually a related desire to make fights hit harder.) To the extent that anyone talks about a "rotation" in reference to whatever a healer does when they're not healing, it's a sort of imprecision carried over from the other roles. To the extent that anyone compares healer DPS actions to tank DPS actions, it's to make a point about overall complexity, not the tank's strict rotational DPS loop.

Correct. The goal isnt to introduce a 123 melee combo, a gauge spender GCD, a gauge gainer oGCD, an oGCD that makes your gauge spenders free and several barely related damage ogcds. Not that, but a similar level of complexity. And definitely not the same for all 4 healers.

[Lyth]

You will never have even a comparable level of rotational complexity, simply because Casters themselves do not have that. The crux of the challenge in Caster gameplay comes down to knowing whether you can get off the next cast, and utilizing your toolbox to move and position yourself proactively in relation to fight mechanics. Rotationally, they're only marginally more elaborate than Healers.

[Saraide]

You will never have even a comparable level of rotational complexity, simply because Casters themselves do not have that. The crux of the challenge in Caster gameplay comes down to knowing whether you can get off the next cast, and utilizing your toolbox to move and position yourself proactively in relation to fight mechanics. Rotationally, they're only marginally more elaborate than Healers.

You are saying this about the role that includes black mage.

[Lyth]

Ah yes, Black Mage, the job renowned for rotational complexity and high APM.

Black Mage gameplay is almost entirely contingent on positioning and movement tools. It's a strategy game, not a mechanical complexity game.