This has got to be one of the worst mmorpg community to exist

[Jeeqbit]

I'm willing to admit that this game has flaws

I see this claim put around that people are "unwilling to accept there are flaws", but it's just not true. There are things that everyone, almost universally accepts is a problem.

For example, a reasonable person cannot look at a story that spans the base game, 5 expansions and all their patches and say that it isn't a daunting climb for many players.

A reasonable person can't say that ARR isn't off-putting in some ways with issues such as no mounts until half way into the MSQ, needing to return to the Waking Sands every 5 seconds, item level creep making fight mechanics irrelevant, excessive loading screens compared to expansions, excessive unlock quests for every little thing (like glamour), a non-intuitive map that is only usable when you get used to it, poor default setting choices and HUD Layout compared to some MMORPGs, forced cutscenes out of the blue at level 50, lack of voice acting and inconsistent voice acting in ARR, driving sprouts head-first into high-end Extreme trials to "clear it for the quest" resulting in mentors being dragged into them, lack of experience gain from patch quests that makes progression feel too slow (for players who don't know we had patches).

In places like the novice network you will often see constant defense of the game but on points like the ones above, nobody defends all of that and just has to reluctantly tell them it's one of the issues the game has.

But everyone just throws the "nobody criticises the game" card because someone disagrees with their criticism.

you can see them whenever you make a thread just suggesting a minor quality of life adjustment and they pull up to tell you why that's impossible for square to do, as if they know any more about the development process than we do.

For myself, it's usually not about why it's impossible, but about why SE says it's impossible. I have a pretty good memory for the countless interviews I've read over the years so I just reference that and reiterate what they've said, regardless of its merit. But in most cases they probably would not say "it's difficult" if it wasn't difficult for them.

However I do have quite a good understanding of this stuff as well so to a degree I can contribute my own assessment of if something would be possible and what the likely issues would be (for example my assessment of DC travel being possible was accurate before we got it, which I pointed out we had with paid transfers as well as infrastructure for it from world visiting and I also pointed out the UI team's claim that a checkmark on collected items was impossible, was just wrong and then they subsequently proved that assessment right by adding it).

XIV players straight up send threats on streamers/yt'ers if they don't like what they hear from them in their streams/videos.

I find that bizarre. These people don't represent me or anyone I've ever met or talked to in the community. There's always going to be that weirdo that does something like that on the internet I guess, but they certainly don't represent a whole community of people.

[TheMightyMollusk]

XIV players straight up send threats on streamers/yt'ers if they don't like what they hear from them in their streams/videos.

If you actually believe XIV is the only fandom to do idiotic stuff like this, boy do I envy your innocence.

[Nononu]

xiv has absolutely become a hellhole of shitty fandom people who, if they don't agree with you, will do their best to make your life a living hell.

bait or not, i agree with op.

[Zeastria]

This community is as toxic as any other.
Telling about how other communities are also/more toxic, doesn't justify the toxicity in this game lol..

[TheMightyMollusk]

It's called the online disinhibition effect. Plenty of people, given any degree of anonymity and lack of consequences, will gladly show their worst sides. It has nothing to do with fandoms or games. Some people are just awful.

But, y'know, pinning it on a specific community makes for better bait.

[Arrius]

If you actually believe XIV is the only fandom to do idiotic stuff like this, boy do I envy your innocence.

I be happy if you do not assume things with my words.
Even I realize that it doesn't only happen only there.
But even respectable streamers/YT content makers get a sharp increase of harassment when mentioning XIV in a non-positive light, satire or not


Hey, but thanks for the subtle insult.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Hey, but thanks for the subtle insult.

Dear lad, I do not care about you enough to bother trying to insult you.

[Arrius]

Dear lad, I do not care about you enough to bother trying to insult you.

But caring enough about me to answer my posts, I see.

I appreciate the attention, though you can go elsewhere with it. Thank you.

[strawberrycake]

The community I met when I first started wasn't the worst, but I think it's easier to meet people in XIV who hide their shitty side more consistently then others would in other communities. Personally I prefer when people are direct, and more straight up with me when it comes to how they are and who they are. In XIV I have to play the game of *is this person lowkey weird af* when meeting new people.


That being said I've met my fair share of oddballs and individuals who could do with therapy over being in a game. The problem, at least from what I've experienced and have seen, is that a lot of people in XIV excuse behiviors and red flags fairly often and are in some cases too hopeful, conversely I've also met people so weary they aren't willing to look beyond initial interactions and just brush off anything they deem unfit.


Moral of the story, humans are complex, yes, but XIV is very special in how you the individual will have to deal with the nonsense this community will throw at you. Good ol Toxic Positivity and all that.

[Boblawblah]