A cure for surplus.... kinda..

[Abriael]

Ya, I know. Like I said it was my fault for not looking. Also, I know, but theirs games that really hurt you if you die like, Demon souls. Dieing puts tension in a tight spot. Makes you more alert and careful, putting strategies into your next move/attack. That's what I like about death penalties. Puts you on the edge of your seat, type of deal.

Demon's souls isn't appreciatd for it's death penalties. It's appreciated mainly because the fights are actually challenging in themselves. Also, demon's souls isn't a subscription based game where frustration is something to avoid (frustration -> ragequitting -> less money for the developer). Finally it's a niche game, that appeals only to a very precise kind of hardcore gamer. On the other end FFXIV has been publicized from the very start as casual-friendly.

The "demon's souls" (at least for death penalties) of MMORPGs already exists. It's called Darkfall Online, and it failed harder than FFXIV will ever manage.

The way to make people alert and careful is to give them something to fight that requires them to be alert and careful to be defeated, not to make them waste gaming time if for whatever reason they die (or because someone else makes them die, which happens quite often).

[Rokien]

My idea, doesn't waist your time, you don't back track at all. And at the most you would only loss exp gain for like an hour or something. I don't know. Thats not that bad, better then re grinding for that hour on what you loss.

[Abriael]

My idea, doesn't waist your time, you don't back track at all. And at the most you would only loss exp gain for like an hour or something. I don't know. Thats not that bad, better then re grinding for that hour on what you loss.

It's exactly the same waste of time. It just doesn't waste past time, but it still wastes future time. The effect is exactly the same as any experience-based death penalty, just concealed in a quite clumsy way.

[Keith_Dragoon]

I like the idea rokien just probly better done with smaller values.

[Rokien]

Losing exp is waist of past and future time >.>. Thats just saying you should get ride of the weakened state, because that waist time as well. I like a death penalty, thats why im saying we should have one, makes the game for me, more fun. But thats my opinion, to each his own, right? Soo, what would you do then? Get rid of death all together? I wanna hear what you would want happen, not to bash my idea. Even though thats ok as well, as long as its constructive.

[Abriael]

Losing exp is waist of past and future time >.>. Thats just saying you should get ride of the weakened state, because that waist time as well.

Not really. I have a choice of continuing to fight and play in a weakened state or not.

I like a death penalty, thats why im saying we should have one, makes the game for me, more fun. But thats my opinion, to each his own, right? Soo, what would you do then? Get rid of death all together? I wanna hear what you would want happen, not to bash my idea. Even though thats ok as well, as long as its constructive.

There's no need to propose anything. Yoshida already told what they're going to do. And I'm entirely satisfied with all the solutions he proposed. They don't waste my time and give me options.

[Rokien]

Not really. I have a choice of continuing to fight and play in a weakened state or not.

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Exactly you can go take a shower in that time span. You have a choice, risk dieing again(going further into surplus) not die at all, or just sitting out for x amount of time. Death is a big thing. Not something you can be like... meh about. At least you can still progress. And what did yoshida say about death penalties?

[Keith_Dragoon]

Exactly you can go take a shower in that time span. You have a choice, risk dieing again(going further into surplus) not die at all, or just sitting out for x amount of time. Death is a big thing. Not something you can be like... meh about. At least you can still progress. And what did yoshida say about death penalties?

Abriel only cares about timesinks, hes not gonna listen to reason no matter how strong a point you put in front of him. I say just continue on with your discussion and maybe try to refiine it better, its not a horrible idea but also not the best.

[Abriael]

Exactly you can go take a shower in that time span. You have a choice

Nope. I'm not given the choice NOT to waste my gaming time. Since surplus is applied immediately.

Abriel only cares about timesinks, hes not gonna listen to reason no matter how strong a point you put in front of him. I say just continue on with your discussion and maybe try to refiine it better, its not a horrible idea but also not the best.

Sorry, but you're falling in the logical fallacy that if someone doesn't agree with you he doesn't "Listen" (based on the presumption that you're right by default). I listen plenty, and I see entirely weak points based on the delusion that wasting time = challenge.
Looks like basically every MMO developer came to the same conclusion lately.

[Keith_Dragoon]

Nope. I'm not given the choice NOT to waste my gaming time. Since surplus is applied immediately.



Sorry, but you're falling in the logical fallacy that if someone doesn't agree with you he doesn't "Listen" (based on the presumption that you're right by default). I listen plenty, and I see entirely weak points based on the delusion that wasting time = challenge.
Looks like basically every MMO developer came to the same conclusion lately.

And yet they still make tons of money while you sit at home complaining about wasting time on a game. Every game has it, mmo or not and its worked for a very long time so you sir are the one failing. I never said I was right or that OP is right but the ammount of times I've seen you complain about timesinks in multiple threads over the past few days just drives me to the conclusion that you don't listen.

I never said penalties = challenge, neither did the OP. It is simply a mental deterence to make players work harder to stay alive instead of accepting death because they can still fight weakened without worry. That alone is silly and needs to be done away with.