A cure for surplus.... kinda..

[Rokien]

Losing exp is waist of past and future time >.>. Thats just saying you should get ride of the weakened state, because that waist time as well. I like a death penalty, thats why im saying we should have one, makes the game for me, more fun. But thats my opinion, to each his own, right? Soo, what would you do then? Get rid of death all together? I wanna hear what you would want happen, not to bash my idea. Even though thats ok as well, as long as its constructive.

[Abriael]

Losing exp is waist of past and future time >.>. Thats just saying you should get ride of the weakened state, because that waist time as well.

Not really. I have a choice of continuing to fight and play in a weakened state or not.

I like a death penalty, thats why im saying we should have one, makes the game for me, more fun. But thats my opinion, to each his own, right? Soo, what would you do then? Get rid of death all together? I wanna hear what you would want happen, not to bash my idea. Even though thats ok as well, as long as its constructive.

There's no need to propose anything. Yoshida already told what they're going to do. And I'm entirely satisfied with all the solutions he proposed. They don't waste my time and give me options.

[Rokien]

Not really. I have a choice of continuing to fight and play in a weakened state or not.

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Exactly you can go take a shower in that time span. You have a choice, risk dieing again(going further into surplus) not die at all, or just sitting out for x amount of time. Death is a big thing. Not something you can be like... meh about. At least you can still progress. And what did yoshida say about death penalties?

[Keith_Dragoon]

Exactly you can go take a shower in that time span. You have a choice, risk dieing again(going further into surplus) not die at all, or just sitting out for x amount of time. Death is a big thing. Not something you can be like... meh about. At least you can still progress. And what did yoshida say about death penalties?

Abriel only cares about timesinks, hes not gonna listen to reason no matter how strong a point you put in front of him. I say just continue on with your discussion and maybe try to refiine it better, its not a horrible idea but also not the best.

[Abriael]

Exactly you can go take a shower in that time span. You have a choice

Nope. I'm not given the choice NOT to waste my gaming time. Since surplus is applied immediately.

Abriel only cares about timesinks, hes not gonna listen to reason no matter how strong a point you put in front of him. I say just continue on with your discussion and maybe try to refiine it better, its not a horrible idea but also not the best.

Sorry, but you're falling in the logical fallacy that if someone doesn't agree with you he doesn't "Listen" (based on the presumption that you're right by default). I listen plenty, and I see entirely weak points based on the delusion that wasting time = challenge.
Looks like basically every MMO developer came to the same conclusion lately.

[Keith_Dragoon]

Nope. I'm not given the choice NOT to waste my gaming time. Since surplus is applied immediately.



Sorry, but you're falling in the logical fallacy that if someone doesn't agree with you he doesn't "Listen" (based on the presumption that you're right by default). I listen plenty, and I see entirely weak points based on the delusion that wasting time = challenge.
Looks like basically every MMO developer came to the same conclusion lately.

And yet they still make tons of money while you sit at home complaining about wasting time on a game. Every game has it, mmo or not and its worked for a very long time so you sir are the one failing. I never said I was right or that OP is right but the ammount of times I've seen you complain about timesinks in multiple threads over the past few days just drives me to the conclusion that you don't listen.

I never said penalties = challenge, neither did the OP. It is simply a mental deterence to make players work harder to stay alive instead of accepting death because they can still fight weakened without worry. That alone is silly and needs to be done away with.

[Abriael]

And yet they still make tons of money while you sit at home complaining about wasting time on a game.

They make tons of money because their games are evolving. And part of that evolution has been the removal of xp based death penalties. It's one of the most antiquated and surpassed concept in MMORPGs (actually even before,since it comes from MUDs), and there's a reason why everyone is doing away with it.

Every game has it, mmo or not and its worked for a very long time so you sir are the one failing.

Quite obviously it's not seen as working anymore, considering that everyone is doing away with it. It's an antiquated concept. That's all there's to it.

I never said I was right or that OP is right but the ammount of times I've seen you complain about timesinks in multiple threads over the past few days just drives me to the conclusion that you don't listen.

And you have been going around talking in favor of xp based death penalty in multiple threads while the majority is quite obviously against it. Does that mean that you don't listen?

I never said penalties = challenge, neither did the OP. It is simply a mental deterence to make players work harder to stay alive instead of accepting death because they can still fight weakened without worry. That alone is silly and needs to be done away with.

Work harder to stay alive? That's achieved by making staying alive harder, not by giving silly mental deterrences based on wasting people's playing time. Not everyone has the time to "sit at home" playing all day, you know?

If you need a "mental deterrence" in order to try and stay alive in a game the objective of which is winning and progressing, then I'm afraid you're doing it wrong.