RP shout ads are obstructive to chat and gameplay

[Aelin_Ashryver]

Never found there to be so many shouts at once for venues that it makes everything else impossible to see. I also have a tab that is purely for party and guild chat so I don't have to see it if I don't want too. And if a single person is spamming to much you can block and report them. People just want to share the cool places they made, nothing wrong with that. I really enjoying going to the places and see how they decorated the houses.

[Gordita]

Never found there to be so many shouts at once for venues that it makes everything else impossible to see. I also have a tab that is purely for party and guild chat so I don't have to see it if I don't want too. And if a single person is spamming to much you can block and report them. People just want to share the cool places they made, nothing wrong with that. I really enjoying going to the places and see how they decorated the houses.

I also go to these places , to get inspired for my own decoration ideas. I dont want anything to be taken away from them, I am aiming to get them an easier and more effective method of advertising so that the shout chat doesn't have to be spammed. Most people get hung up on arguing over other bits of the topic rather than supporting a solution, but that seems to be a trend in the English forums, a sad reality to learn a someone who cares deeply for the game and it's future

[Ravenblade1979]

How is it a "direct violation"?? Are they blocking your access to click on something? Are they constantly attempting to trade with you and stopping you from doing anything? Are they directing telling at you, over and over and over? And ok, you get rid of shout ads. Are you somehow thinking people are going to replace that with Shouts for other stuff?
Also, what kind of BS is "if a person feels it's disrupted"? No, its not based on your feeling. It's based on Square's feeling. You can feel disrupted all you like. But if Square doesn't feel the same, then you aren't.

It's a breach because if you are in pm chay or shout chat or even in say with people and a few walls of text happen to appear then it's directly affecting your gameplay. Even if you in party chat it's the same thing unless you have that in a separate tab away but no one should have to ever to that.

Also it's quite rude amd interrupting lol.

[Ravenblade1979]

Never found there to be so many shouts at once for venues that it makes everything else impossible to see. I also have a tab that is purely for party and guild chat so I don't have to see it if I don't want too. And if a single person is spamming to much you can block and report them. People just want to share the cool places they made, nothing wrong with that. I really enjoying going to the places and see how they decorated the houses.

It's unfortunately not this anymore. It's not so much about showing them off. It's now a case of getting as many in as you can to make Gil off of. Show some twitch djs and the major thing which is giveaways and gambling.

There's places that aren't about this but they get buried in the mess but I visit those places because they don't need someone shouting about it ever.

The explosion and continual flow of venues has been good but it's past a few overflow points now but no one wants to take the leash and stop stuff. Rather fall back to the devs who won't even acknowledge them but know they there

[Ravenblade1979]

That's why I covered in my suggestion the ability to link the suggested improved fellowship, link that in chat similar to how pf works, people join. Now people can be notified when the fellowship is updated and there's no need to constantly spam chat every single time the doors are open. Over time there will be no need to advertise at all as people start to join. Wins, all across the board. It's truly a great solution to the problem.

I heard fellowship was originally for this but that would probably only work for the pf spam we sometimes get. Plus would mean a player would have to watch for the little box popping up on the right for fellowship notice or even someone from said venue to make an update for that pop-up lol. Then gotta account for the other data centers not getting said pop up.

I mean there's a resource like ffxiv venues website and discord that lists venues and openings but that won't stop the sheer volume of flooding we can get.

Has to be an in game solution and all venues gotta be willing to adjust. Otherwise all ppl can do is report the spam or blacklist.

It's a shame. Some decent places but bad shout ad practices

[Ravenblade1979]

I also go to these places , to get inspired for my own decoration ideas. I dont want anything to be taken away from them, I am aiming to get them an easier and more effective method of advertising so that the shout chat doesn't have to be spammed. Most people get hung up on arguing over other bits of the topic rather than supporting a solution, but that seems to be a trend in the English forums, a sad reality to learn a someone who cares deeply for the game and it's future

Don't feel bad. You could set a dull rock in the middle of the forums, call it shiny and find yourself with 100 pages of people arguing about it.

Plus on NA we kinda think or know devs really don't read our stuff or ignore it. That and trolls tend to bury decent idea topics quick

[Padudu]

I have no idea what you're trying to say here. I said venue ads have taken over shout and you say that's not true because hunts use discord. What? The you proceed to talk about trains ... Relics... Cross DC... What does any of that have to do with shout ads taking over shout chat? This just looks like an attempted derailment and topic change to start veering off course again.
If you're suggesting that players use a second device and/or program to miss less hunts, that's not a solution to the spam in shout chat, that merely enables more of it. And I'm unsure as to why people are trying to hyperfixate on hunts, probably because it seems like the easiest thing on the long list of things that are disrupted to find a "solution" to but none of that changes the fact that shout ads are a problem and something needs to be done about it. Even people who have some here to argue and be immature, without realizing it, have confirmed the problem. Not that it needs extra confirmation, it's a well known fact that it's out of hand.
This morning I pitched this idea that I've suggested to a venue owner, and they were in love with it. So I can't make sense of why people are trying to argue against having something more efficient and effective to use. There's literally no logical reason behind it, only people arguing for the sake of it. Must be American culture , argue about left and right. I don't get it. Here's a solution. Fight it or embrace and support it

3.2 Disruption. You may not in any way disrupt or interfere with the Game experience of other players, including the disruption of Square Enix's computers and servers.

Shout ads are a direct violation of this part of the tos, and people don't have the right to tell people their gameplay isn't disrupted, if a person feels it's disrupted

Bruh she made her point pretty clear, she's saying that shout ads have never drowned out actual gameplay content because actual gameplay content doesn't ever really utilize the shout chat in main cities, making your argument that they drown out any sort of gameplay pointless. The truth is that people don't utilize shout chat other than to use it for ads or banter, so you're really not missing out on anything at all gameplay wise lol. The truth is if you want gameplay, you're going to utilize the dozen and more discords suited for it, not shout chat in the cities.

[Ravenblade1979]

Bruh she made her point pretty clear, she's saying that shout ads have never drowned out actual gameplay content because actual gameplay content doesn't ever really utilize the shout chat in main cities, making your argument that they drown out any sort of gameplay pointless. The truth is that people don't utilize shout chat other than to use it for ads or banter, so you're really not missing out on anything at all gameplay wise lol. The truth is if you want gameplay, you're going to utilize the dozen and more discords suited for it, not shout chat in the cities.

You couldn't be more wrong. If you ever been to uldah on balmung. That's those folks gameplay experience is that chat and they utilize all 3 chat types plus party and pm.

The ads there...oh the public backlash they get from it because they are trying to enjoy their gameplay experience. If yours is content then cool but you are missing out on the rest of it.

Venues before 2020 weren't as wide spread but with the covid coming. It literally blew up in game. Venues were the one thing keeping people sane so it became a part of their gameplay experience.

The rp community is much bigger then you think.

So to summarize. While YOUR gameplay experience might be content. Don't mean that's another players experience. They enjoy it differently and as this is a ONLINE GAME.

As it's an ONLINE GAME that means there's also online chat which is part of the gameplay experience. So if you in the middle of talking with friends who hang out say in limsa and a few walls of text happen to appear then your gameplay experience IS being disrupted.

Would be like if someone went into a content run you enjoyed and purposely wiped the group over and over. That's also disruption. Just in another are of the gameplay experience.

Final point. I seen you mention discord. There's alot who don't actually use it. There's also alot that will find that step to be a pain and venues do utilize discords but don't mean the tens of thousands of players will see it. So that argument is out the window.

[Gordita]

Bruh she made her point pretty clear, she's saying that shout ads have never drowned out actual gameplay content because actual gameplay content doesn't ever really utilize the shout chat in main cities, making your argument that they drown out any sort of gameplay pointless. The truth is that people don't utilize shout chat other than to use it for ads or banter, so you're really not missing out on anything at all gameplay wise lol. The truth is if you want gameplay, you're going to utilize the dozen and more discords suited for it, not shout chat in the cities.

I'm not arguing, I'm staying facts based off of experiences. I get that you cant see past the entrance to the quicksand but that doesn't mean that these things mentioned haven't happened or that they don't happen often. I roam the 3 populated data centers with a group of friends every few months and use shout chat to relay all kinds of things , and recruit for old savages and extremes to get people mounts, minions, clears, achievements, blah blah blah. We relay arr sightseeing logs, achievement fate chains , etc. You'd see that if you ever left the quicksand. Try providing a helpful comment in the future instead of attempting to make baseless arguments and comments , and consider all the possibilities surrounding the situation before acting so full of yourself and attempting to derail a thread aimed at helping make a better experience for all players.

[Gordita]

You couldn't be more wrong. If you ever been to uldah on balmung. That's those folks gameplay experience is that chat and they utilize all 3 chat types plus party and pm.

The ads there...oh the public backlash they get from it because they are trying to enjoy their gameplay experience. If yours is content then cool but you are missing out on the rest of it.

Venues before 2020 weren't as wide spread but with the covid coming. It literally blew up in game. Venues were the one thing keeping people sane so it became a part of their gameplay experience.

The rp community is much bigger then you think.

So to summarize. While YOUR gameplay experience might be content. Don't mean that's another players experience. They enjoy it differently and as this is a ONLINE GAME.

As it's an ONLINE GAME that means there's also online chat which is part of the gameplay experience. So if you in the middle of talking with friends who hang out say in limsa and a few walls of text happen to appear then your gameplay experience IS being disrupted.

Would be like if someone went into a content run you enjoyed and purposely wiped the group over and over. That's also disruption. Just in another are of the gameplay experience.

Final point. I seen you mention discord. There's alot who don't actually use it. There's also alot that will find that step to be a pain and venues do utilize discords but don't mean the tens of thousands of players will see it. So that argument is out the window.

Nailed it.