RP shout ads are obstructive to chat and gameplay

[LianaThorne]

It's because venue spam has taken it over , new people immediately turn it off, veteran players won't do that though, because we have used the chat for all kinds of things since before venues were so popular. And shout chat is still used for a lot of things related to gameplay and doing content. Also giving things away at random , etc. So I should turn off shout chat now after 9 years because venue people obnoxiously spam chat and I should miss out on these things ... This is the solution instead of giving them a better and easier way to be heard and seen? The logic behind arguing against this new and improved way for venues to get people at their door escapes me, and makes me concerned for humanity at the same time lmao

The fact that so many people immediately disable these chats upon starting the game, within a couple hours, should be a huge issue with venue people. They're driving away their own customers before they even get a chance to find out venues exist. Even more reason to support this.

Not necessarily true (referring to my underlined comment). Hunts mainly operate over Discord/hunt linkshells. It's way easier to ping mass amounts of people in a server/have someone relay the message through linkshells than rely on shout chat to get the message across considering how large the hunt community has become (due in part to how the quickest route to getting EW relics done is by spamming trains for tomes). Now that cross-DC has become a thing, it's even more useful so people can be quickly notified for trains on other DCs compared to just their own. Discord might be a sore subject for some but it's ultimately just more efficient now an you can always go the linkshell route if you want a completely in-game option for hunts that won't be cluttered by spam.

[Gordita]

Not necessarily true (referring to my underlined comment). Hunts mainly operate over Discord/hunt linkshells. It's way easier to ping mass amounts of people in a server/have someone relay the message through linkshells than rely on shout chat to get the message across considering how large the hunt community has become (due in part to how the quickest route to getting EW relics done is by spamming trains for tomes). Now that cross-DC has become a thing, it's even more useful so people can be quickly notified for trains on other DCs compared to just their own. Discord might be a sore subject for some but it's ultimately just more efficient now an you can always go the linkshell route if you want a completely in-game option for hunts that won't be cluttered by spam.

I have no idea what you're trying to say here. I said venue ads have taken over shout and you say that's not true because hunts use discord. What? The you proceed to talk about trains ... Relics... Cross DC... What does any of that have to do with shout ads taking over shout chat? This just looks like an attempted derailment and topic change to start veering off course again.
If you're suggesting that players use a second device and/or program to miss less hunts, that's not a solution to the spam in shout chat, that merely enables more of it. And I'm unsure as to why people are trying to hyperfixate on hunts, probably because it seems like the easiest thing on the long list of things that are disrupted to find a "solution" to but none of that changes the fact that shout ads are a problem and something needs to be done about it. Even people who have some here to argue and be immature, without realizing it, have confirmed the problem. Not that it needs extra confirmation, it's a well known fact that it's out of hand.
This morning I pitched this idea that I've suggested to a venue owner, and they were in love with it. So I can't make sense of why people are trying to argue against having something more efficient and effective to use. There's literally no logical reason behind it, only people arguing for the sake of it. Must be American culture , argue about left and right. I don't get it. Here's a solution. Fight it or embrace and support it

3.2 Disruption. You may not in any way disrupt or interfere with the Game experience of other players, including the disruption of Square Enix's computers and servers.

Shout ads are a direct violation of this part of the tos, and people don't have the right to tell people their gameplay isn't disrupted, if a person feels it's disrupted

[ChrysOCE]

3.2 Disruption. You may not in any way disrupt or interfere with the Game experience of other players, including the disruption of Square Enix's computers and servers.

Shout ads are a direct violation of this part of the tos, and people don't have the right to tell people their gameplay isn't disrupted, if a person feels it's disrupted

How is it a "direct violation"?? Are they blocking your access to click on something? Are they constantly attempting to trade with you and stopping you from doing anything? Are they directing telling at you, over and over and over? And ok, you get rid of shout ads. Are you somehow thinking people are going to replace that with Shouts for other stuff?
Also, what kind of BS is "if a person feels it's disrupted"? No, its not based on your feeling. It's based on Square's feeling. You can feel disrupted all you like. But if Square doesn't feel the same, then you aren't.

[LianaThorne]

How is it a "direct violation"?? Are they blocking your access to click on something? Are they constantly attempting to trade with you and stopping you from doing anything? Are they directing telling at you, over and over and over? And ok, you get rid of shout ads. Are you somehow thinking people are going to replace that with Shouts for other stuff?
Also, what kind of BS is "if a person feels it's disrupted"? No, its not based on your feeling. It's based on Square's feeling. You can feel disrupted all you like. But if Square doesn't feel the same, then you aren't.

Yeah this is where I kind of question what they define as disruption, just because of how vaguely it's worded and their reference to hacking their own computers/servers. I feel like it's not a personal feeling type of disruption but one that physically prevents you from playing the game (i.e. someone DDoSing you or the trade spam to prevent movement).

[Padudu]

I have no idea what you're trying to say here. I said venue ads have taken over shout and you say that's not true because hunts use discord. What? The you proceed to talk about trains ... Relics... Cross DC... What does any of that have to do with shout ads taking over shout chat? This just looks like an attempted derailment and topic change to start veering off course again.
If you're suggesting that players use a second device and/or program to miss less hunts, that's not a solution to the spam in shout chat, that merely enables more of it. And I'm unsure as to why people are trying to hyperfixate on hunts, probably because it seems like the easiest thing on the long list of things that are disrupted to find a "solution" to but none of that changes the fact that shout ads are a problem and something needs to be done about it. Even people who have some here to argue and be immature, without realizing it, have confirmed the problem. Not that it needs extra confirmation, it's a well known fact that it's out of hand.
This morning I pitched this idea that I've suggested to a venue owner, and they were in love with it. So I can't make sense of why people are trying to argue against having something more efficient and effective to use. There's literally no logical reason behind it, only people arguing for the sake of it. Must be American culture , argue about left and right. I don't get it. Here's a solution. Fight it or embrace and support it

3.2 Disruption. You may not in any way disrupt or interfere with the Game experience of other players, including the disruption of Square Enix's computers and servers.

Shout ads are a direct violation of this part of the tos, and people don't have the right to tell people their gameplay isn't disrupted, if a person feels it's disrupted

Bruh she made her point pretty clear, she's saying that shout ads have never drowned out actual gameplay content because actual gameplay content doesn't ever really utilize the shout chat in main cities, making your argument that they drown out any sort of gameplay pointless. The truth is that people don't utilize shout chat other than to use it for ads or banter, so you're really not missing out on anything at all gameplay wise lol. The truth is if you want gameplay, you're going to utilize the dozen and more discords suited for it, not shout chat in the cities.

[Gordita]

Bruh she made her point pretty clear, she's saying that shout ads have never drowned out actual gameplay content because actual gameplay content doesn't ever really utilize the shout chat in main cities, making your argument that they drown out any sort of gameplay pointless. The truth is that people don't utilize shout chat other than to use it for ads or banter, so you're really not missing out on anything at all gameplay wise lol. The truth is if you want gameplay, you're going to utilize the dozen and more discords suited for it, not shout chat in the cities.

I'm not arguing, I'm staying facts based off of experiences. I get that you cant see past the entrance to the quicksand but that doesn't mean that these things mentioned haven't happened or that they don't happen often. I roam the 3 populated data centers with a group of friends every few months and use shout chat to relay all kinds of things , and recruit for old savages and extremes to get people mounts, minions, clears, achievements, blah blah blah. We relay arr sightseeing logs, achievement fate chains , etc. You'd see that if you ever left the quicksand. Try providing a helpful comment in the future instead of attempting to make baseless arguments and comments , and consider all the possibilities surrounding the situation before acting so full of yourself and attempting to derail a thread aimed at helping make a better experience for all players.

[Gordita]

Bruh she made her point pretty clear, she's saying that shout ads have never drowned out actual gameplay content because actual gameplay content doesn't ever really utilize the shout chat in main cities, making your argument that they drown out any sort of gameplay pointless. The truth is that people don't utilize shout chat other than to use it for ads or banter, so you're really not missing out on anything at all gameplay wise lol. The truth is if you want gameplay, you're going to utilize the dozen and more discords suited for it, not shout chat in the cities.

Last I checked FFXIV doesn't have discord integration, excusing senseless obstruction and spam based on the suggestion that a user should utilize a second device to play the game isn't valid, sorry. Things still get relayed in the game in linkshells, nn, FC, shout, etc. But if venue ads flood the chat, then these things can be missed. This is common sense. As I said before, I've scrolled up thru these venue ads to see stuff I've missed several times.. missed because of the chat flooding. Or I was informed that something was linked in chat and I missed my chance , despite keeping an eye out, things can still be missed. I mentioned this before and you got mad that you had several people point out several things that were off about the arguments you posted, and you said "poor baby can't scroll up, skill issue" in response to me saying that I scrolled up. Again, this post is aimed at implementing something to make ads easier for viewers and advertisers, not to debate on how much the ads are disruptive. So if you would like to share how qol features being added that benefit all are a BAD idea, I'd love to hear it. If you don't support it or have a valid reason as to why you want to prevent people from having an improved experience, then it's just senseless arguing. I can't make sense of why you would not want people to have a better time in FFXIV. Shouting your opinion louder than other people based on a few small points in a much bigger picture doesn't make you right and other people wrong, nor does it actually cover the topic at hand. So let's try to stay on track here instead of baseless arguments over tiny aspects of a much bigger issue.

[AlexiaD]

Last I checked FFXIV doesn't have discord integration, excusing senseless obstruction and spam based on the suggestion that a user should utilize a second device to play the game isn't valid, sorry. Things still get relayed in the game in linkshells, nn, FC, shout, etc. But if venue ads flood the chat, then these things can be missed. This is common sense. As I said before, I've scrolled up thru these venuebads to see stuff I've missed several times.. missed because of the chat flooding. Or I was informed that something was linked in chat and I missed my chance , despite keeping an eye out, things can still be missed. I mentioned this before and you got mad that you had several people point out several things that were off about the arguments you posted, and you said "poor baby can't scroll up, skill issue" in response to me saying that I scrolled up. Again, this post is aimed at implementing something to make ads easier for viewers and advertisers, not to debate on how much the ads are disruptive. So if you would like to share how qol features being added that benefit all are a BAD idea, I'd love to hear it. If you don't support it or have a valid reason as to why you want to prevent people from having an improved experience, then it's just senseless arguing. I can't make sense of why you would not want people to have a better time in FFXIV. Shouting your opinion louder than other people based on a few small points in a much bigger picture doesn't make you right and other people wrong, nor does it actually cover the topic at hand. So let's try to stay on track here instead of baseless arguments over tiny aspects of a much bigger issue.

Shouting your opinion louder than other people based on a few small points in a much bigger picture doesn't make you right and other people wrong

God can you please for the love of god have a little bit of self awareness ?

[LianaThorne]

I have no idea what you're trying to say here. I said venue ads have taken over shout and you say that's not true because hunts use discord. What? The you proceed to talk about trains ... Relics... Cross DC... What does any of that have to do with shout ads taking over shout chat? This just looks like an attempted derailment and topic change to start veering off course again.
If you're suggesting that players use a second device and/or program to miss less hunts, that's not a solution to the spam in shout chat, that merely enables more of it. And I'm unsure as to why people are trying to hyperfixate on hunts, probably because it seems like the easiest thing on the long list of things that are disrupted to find a "solution" to but none of that changes the fact that shout ads are a problem and something needs to be done about it. Even people who have some here to argue and be immature, without realizing it, have confirmed the problem. Not that it needs extra confirmation, it's a well known fact that it's out of hand.
This morning I pitched this idea that I've suggested to a venue owner, and they were in love with it. So I can't make sense of why people are trying to argue against having something more efficient and effective to use. There's literally no logical reason behind it, only people arguing for the sake of it. Must be American culture , argue about left and right. I don't get it. Here's a solution. Fight it or embrace and support it

3.2 Disruption. You may not in any way disrupt or interfere with the Game experience of other players, including the disruption of Square Enix's computers and servers.

Shout ads are a direct violation of this part of the tos, and people don't have the right to tell people their gameplay isn't disrupted, if a person feels it's disrupted

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Someone commented that shout chat isn't really used for content these days, including hunt trains.
You replied by saying it was because shout chat was overrun by spam.
I was correcting you by saying it's more efficient to organize content like that over Discord/linkshells because of how large of a community they have these days (due in part to how quickly you can farm tomes for EW relics) and because cross-DC is a thing so notifying people of trains off DC is easier through non-shout means. It's completely unrelated to venue spam basically, as you claimed. You'll also find other content organized through Discord as well like Baldesion Arsenal (Eureka) and Delubrum Reginae Savage (Bozja/Zadnor) because of similar reasons (also because you need voice chat for callouts).

As far as Disruption goes, you're welcome to report people for that and see where it goes I guess.