Instanced Housing

[Divinemights]

Why wouldn't you call ESO successful? It's hitting its 10 year anniversary this year (only a year behind this game if you start with ARR instead of 1.0) and still going with new content continuing to be added.

It would be same reason that I will not refers FF11 a successful MMORPG.
It is a love letter to FF franchise fanboy and a game hold up by fanbase.
I admit I had a good time in FF11 but the fact does not change.
FF11 is not a successful MMORPG title. (SE only refers it as best selling FF title)
ESO falls into same category.
The Bethesda fanboys will keep it alive just like how they in denial that Starfield is a boring game.
If ESO is successful as you claim it is and it it had better instance housing then why FF14 and WoW are the go-to MMORPG for players want to enter this genre?

We also had same conversation 4 years ago, any luck on your push for instanced housing.
You clearly don’t understand the Asian culture and expect a non Western company like SE to bow down to noisy minority.
It is not going to happen

[Palin]

I'm actually not against separate instanced housing. People can keep asking for it obviously but I don't believe it's ever going to happen. Instanced housing carries none of the benefits ward housing does and doesn't offer any new gameplay to people who already have a house.

Instanced housing can have many new gameplay features if properly untangled from wards. We could have houses in places where there could be no wards at all(since they seem to be tied to market boards and need to be connected to any main hub for a given expansion). We could have seamless outdoor/indoor transition without loading screens. A bigger outdoor and possibly side buildings we can decorate. There can be an entire storyline about acquiring a house and then upgrading its size (housing grind similar to relic grind).

Ward housing keeps people engaged whether it's by the allure of submarines that require daily logins or the creative and social aspects that draw people together. Even the hated scarcity/FOMO element benefits the game: people have to stay subscribed in order to participate in the lottery or to keep their house from being auto-demoed.

Problem with such a system is that a person that loses their house, especially if it was a prized location or congested server might go “welp not doing that again” and be much less likely to come back to the game at all. Also it again clashes with “you can take a breaks” design of the game, while other mechanics (such as gearing up) tend to go along with it.

If ESO is successful as you claim it is and it it had better instance housing then why FF14 and WoW are the go-to MMORPG for players want to enter this genre?

Maybe because they put all the cool items in the cash shop, their writing is mid at best, the combat system can be confiusing for newcomers and requires basically an ascended glitch to perform at any respectable level and any form of endgame content requires constant meta chasing and character stat tweaking. Not something that could easly attract mass appeal

Still they have their audience, and even went on to win a few awards from community choice. I'd call it a fairly successful
Also does not mean they cannot do anything right and I still consider ESO housing to be a much better system and something similar in FF would go a long way.

[Divinemights]

Maybe because they put all the cool items in the cash shop, their writing is mid at best, the combat system can be confiusing for newcomers and requires basically an ascended glitch to perform at any respectable level and any form of endgame content requires constant meta chasing and character stat tweaking. Not something that could easly attract mass appeal

Still they have their audience, and even went on to win a few awards from community choice. I'd call it a fairly successful
Also does not mean they cannot do anything right and I still consider ESO housing to be a much better system and something similar in FF would go a long way.

Now there, you are just being salty.
When ESO is actually made by a company showing their greed on trying to gain money on free mods.

Again, I don't doubt ESO has an housing system you want, but it doesn't mean FF14 need to clone it.
Just because you want a large house and can't get it doesn't mean Ward is a failure, it is just not the style you want.
Takes Android vs IOS, each has their weakness and strength and you have freedom to choose, but it doesn't mean both platform need to be same.
Being noisy on a social platform doesn't makes you correct

[Palin]

Now there, you are just being salty.
When ESO is actually made by a company showing their greed on trying to gain money on free mods.

Again, I don't doubt ESO has an housing system you want, but it doesn't mean FF14 need to clone it.
Just because you want a large house and can't get it doesn't mean Ward is a failure, it is just not the style you want.
Takes Android vs IOS, each has their weakness and strength and you have freedom to choose, but it doesn't mean both platform need to be same.
Being noisy on a social platform doesn't makes you correct

You asked me for reasons why FFXIV is more popular and i gave you those i heard the most.(also ESO was developed by zenimax online and not bethesda)
While both systems are different they are aiming for the same goal: to provide users with a fun experience decorating houses.
So two games introduce housing systems and some time down the line one gets forum posts, reddit threads and website articles about how people can’t get houses they want, while the other side discusses how to best recreate Todd Howard's face out of fish.
It’s not android vs iphone, it’s android vs windows phone.