Instanced Housing

[Palin]

Does other MMORPG has a place called Limsa Lominsa?
Most of MMORPG offers a new player hub in each expansion; the best example would be World of Warcraft
The main cities are not deserted only because Blizzard enforced AH House only available in main cities.

However, when you take a look at FF14, each FF14 expansion main city not only offer Markeboard but Inn as well
Yet, fully functional new player hub still unable to attract people offLimsa Lominsa
Limsa Lominsa is so special that all people just stay there therefore I don't think it is fair to thinks Neighborhood idea is a failure.
Like right now, Limsa Lominsa clearly out populated Old Sharilyan

FYI, when Housing first installed for FC only aned Limsa Lominsa still not a thing, most people hang around marketboard near their own FC

Well, there is no other city hub with less steps between aetherite and market board then limsa, so it's convinient
Also for whatever reason world visit system only works in starter cities so even if i want to hop from world to world in Sharlayan for my marketboard spree, i cannot really do that.

[Veritas-Ancora]

I want instanced housing because the neighborhood system is depressing. What's the point? The whole thing is empty. I never see my neighbors.

That really is the problem. I don't know how my neighbors haven't lost their houses by now.

[Jojoya]

That really is the problem. I don't know how my neighbors haven't lost their houses by now.

Because they're entering them when you're not standing in the ward to see it.

That is the ultimate flaw with wards that prevent them from feeling like the intended neighborhoods.

[Ravenblade1979]

Idk maybe dont play MMO's if you want to be alone

Maybe I don't know...open your eyes. They wanted the neighborhood feel bit it tanked when they grandfathered in people's extras then allowed the alt loophole to continue.

Not to mention the bot owned houses plus player houses empty only being kept as a status symbol by people who don't even play.

You are hard pressed to find a ward that's got any activity outside the odd live fc or venues. May as well have instanced. Would be no different then what it is now

[Yuniko]

Maybe I don't know...open your eyes. They wanted the neighborhood feel bit it tanked when they grandfathered in people's extras then allowed the alt loophole to continue.

Not to mention the bot owned houses plus player houses empty only being kept as a status symbol by people who don't even play.

You are hard pressed to find a ward that's got any activity outside the odd live fc or venues. May as well have instanced. Would be no different then what it is now

Well said hun.

[Frizze]

Maybe I don't know...open your eyes. They wanted the neighborhood feel bit it tanked when they grandfathered in people's extras then allowed the alt loophole to continue.

Not to mention the bot owned houses plus player houses empty only being kept as a status symbol by people who don't even play.

You are hard pressed to find a ward that's got any activity outside the odd live fc or venues. May as well have instanced. Would be no different then what it is now

You arent wrong that the "neighborhood feel" idea has tanked, but you are miss-attributing the cause. True grandfathered houses never accounted for even 1% of the total number of houses in game(and the number has only gone down in the 5 years since that choice was made), and the last census i saw put "shell FCs"(i believe their definition was less then 4 members) between 3 and 5 percent. And while ive never seen a meaningful effort to quantify "player houses empty only being kept as a status symbol by people who don't even play", im prepared to write that off too. The reason theres no "neighborhood feel" is that youve taken the houses and spread them out too far. Ul Dah, Gridania, Limsa, Kugane and Ishgard each have 30 different wards, and people in the subdivision dont see people in the main division unless they use the aethernet to switch over(and vice versa). Do the math, and that means that the houses we have are currently divided over 300 different locations per server. Thats too spread out for any area to feel busy unless theres a specific reason(venue, etc) to be there.

[Khryseis_Astra]

The reason theres no "neighborhood feel" is that youve taken the houses and spread them out too far. Ul Dah, Gridania, Limsa, Kugane and Ishgard each have 30 different wards, and people in the subdivision dont see people in the main division unless they use the aethernet to switch over(and vice versa). Do the math, and that means that the houses we have are currently divided over 300 different locations per server. Thats too spread out for any area to feel busy unless theres a specific reason(venue, etc) to be there.

This brings up a good point, and one that some of us have addressed in our ideas for instanced housing: have a directory set somewhere in the neighborhoods that are entry points for the instanced plots. Like if you’re thinking of Lavender Beds, as an example, put it in Dappled or Wildflower Stalls, where there’s housing NPCs, a market board and a retainer bell. Even if we could teleport directly to our instanced plot, which isn’t a given, this area would still end up being a place of high activity because it ends up being the closest market board location for anyone with instanced plots. You’d probably see more of your neighbors that way, with the upside that you don’t have to deal with their decorating styles in your own personal space!

In the wards, I’ve maybe seen a neighbor twice since getting my current plot this summer. I don’t really care about that, but it just makes me laugh when I hear people going on about how important “the neighborhood feel” is, when most of the wards are ghost towns, for all the reasons mentioned above and more. Which is why I’d be more than happy to leave the wards to venue creators and those who care about having a special place in a neighborhood, to have an instanced plot all to myself, surrounded by nothing but the beautiful scenery.

[Reinha]

This brings up a good point, and one that some of us have addressed in our ideas for instanced housing: have a directory set somewhere in the neighborhoods that are entry points for the instanced plots. Like if you’re thinking of Lavender Beds, as an example, put it in Dappled or Wildflower Stalls, where there’s housing NPCs, a market board and a retainer bell. Even if we could teleport directly to our instanced plot, which isn’t a given, this area would still end up being a place of high activity because it ends up being the closest market board location for anyone with instanced plots. You’d probably see more of your neighbors that way, with the upside that you don’t have to deal with their decorating styles in your own personal space!

No need to reinvent the wheel. Apartment building entrances can be teleported to and they have a market board, a summoning bell and a stable. Apartments have a directory and you can visit other people in the same apartment building who have their door unlocked. Bigger apartments with a yard would work within the system we already have and require minimal development time compared to another separate system.

[Ravenblade1979]

You arent wrong that the "neighborhood feel" idea has tanked, but you are miss-attributing the cause. True grandfathered houses never accounted for even 1% of the total number of houses in game(and the number has only gone down in the 5 years since that choice was made), and the last census i saw put "shell FCs"(i believe their definition was less then 4 members) between 3 and 5 percent. And while ive never seen a meaningful effort to quantify "player houses empty only being kept as a status symbol by people who don't even play", im prepared to write that off too. The reason theres no "neighborhood feel" is that youve taken the houses and spread them out too far. Ul Dah, Gridania, Limsa, Kugane and Ishgard each have 30 different wards, and people in the subdivision dont see people in the main division unless they use the aethernet to switch over(and vice versa). Do the math, and that means that the houses we have are currently divided over 300 different locations per server. Thats too spread out for any area to feel busy unless theres a specific reason(venue, etc) to be there.

Too spread out? No such thing. Also don't discount anything I mentioned cause it's all true. Unless you like rose colored glasses.

I say charge a couple dollars extra on monthly sub to show people they will have a instanced house and instanced fc. Set the player visitation to like 200.

Then allow the fc workshop to be used to upgrade the plot/house size. Can even add a smaller workshop with same feature if you don't got a fc.

Issue actually solved

[LianaThorne]

Too spread out? No such thing. Also don't discount anything I mentioned cause it's all true. Unless you like rose colored glasses.

I say charge a couple dollars extra on monthly sub to show people they will have a instanced house and instanced fc. Set the player visitation to like 200.

Then allow the fc workshop to be used to upgrade the plot/house size. Can even add a smaller workshop with same feature if you don't got a fc.

Issue actually solved

Hard no on charging more money for anything related to instanced housing. We already pay monthly + retainers + any cash shop items. They don't need any more avenues to get money out of people, there are plenty.