XIV's loot system is so alt-unfriendly it's absurd.

[Mostly_Raxus]

And then people can rush through gearing everything and spend even more time complaining that they have nothing to do and the game is too casual.

needless time gates are not content.

[DrWho2010]

needless time gates are not content.

true, but this is a sub MMO. the devs have no incentive to make things easier for people to unsub.

[Mostly_Raxus]

true, but this is a sub MMO. the devs have no incentive to make things easier for people to unsub.

I'm pretty sure they say they dont care if we have content and should un-sub in between parches.. good try tho...

[Absurdity]

I'm pretty sure they say they dont care if we have content and should un-sub in between parches.. good try tho...

Or the devs could just, you know, talk nonsense.

There is often a clear difference between what they say and what they do, housing being the prime example.
But technically they also never said to un-sub in-between patches, they just encouraged you to take a break from XIV and play other games, nowhere in that quote does it say that they don't want your money while you're taking said break.

[TheMightyMollusk]

I'm pretty sure they say they dont care if we have content and should un-sub in between parches.. good try tho...

Yoshi P, as a person, may want us to unsub if we're not happy and come back later. SE and their stockholders, on the other hand, want to make profit. Guess who signs the paychecks.

[Mostly_Raxus]

Guess who signs the paychecks.

the players that are subed because they hope for content, not predatory time gates as bad a wow shadowlands.

its the tax dollar fallacy, you forget the people pay the taxes, whether the goverment extorts it and spends it wastefully is a different question.

[TheMightyMollusk]

the players that are subed because they hope for content, not predatory time gates as bad a wow shadowlands.

its the tax dollar fallacy, you forget the people pay the taxes, whether the goverment extorts it and spends it wastefully is a different question.

But unlike taxes, you can just....not pay the sub. (I mean, you can also not pay your taxes, but the IRS (or your country's equivalent) will have something to say about that.) It's a luxury product, not the government. So this comparison doesn't work.

[Mostly_Raxus]

But unlike taxes, you can just....not pay the sub. (I mean, you can also not pay your taxes, but the IRS (or your country's equivalent) will have something to say about that.) It's a luxury product, not the government. So this comparison doesn't work.

it works fine, as its talking about the fallacy of people thinking things can be payed for with some assumed never ending magic tax dollar with out the realization that that money comes form the taxpayers, or in this case the customer. the analogy has nothing to do with the money or reason for acquisition of the aforementioned money, but instead the idiocy of those thinking the resource is the sole result of the governments existence, or in this case the company.
its basically saying: make a crap product and go out of business, something square is learning hard at the moment, just ask the NA branch that was closed entirely because of needless pandering and terrible game play (forspoken, avengers)

you can lead a player to an analogy, but you can't force them to understand the nuance of it.