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[VirusOnline]

I just have a question for both of you : Do you forbid teenagers to read classic books? Because the majority of classic works deal with similar themes, so if it's a question of sparing them from themes deemed too "hard"... In that case, there's a lot of media that shouldn't be consumed.

... FFXIV included, even if it's very light most of the time. In view of your answers, I honestly wonder whether you're defending this protection of teenagers because we're talking about RP, an activity that can suffer from potential prejudices, or whether you're defending this point of view regardless of the medium concerned.

Hm, this is a bit difficult to approach as we're sort of switching things up here.
We're primarily talking about adults interacting with teens and how that affects the activity at hand.
What you're presenting is a teen interacting with media instead. It's not an equal comparison, but I'll give it a go.

In my view, a teen can read classics like Shakespear, can watch a movie like Parasite, but they may not be able to fully realise and extrapolate the topics in them. This doesn't have anything to do with anyone else as I said before they themselves are lacking real life experience/maturity in order to do so. Now, if a teen wanted to have a complex conversation on the topics in such media with an adult ? Perhaps you had an English class in you younger years where a teacher posed a question that required deep understanding of social structure/politics in novels and tried to see who could apply that to real life (think Animal Farm). A more mature person will have an easier time understand this and have complex conversations around this that a teen may struggle with.

To answer your last point, we're sorta blending personal morals and ethics here. I'm simply pointing out that teenagers in a space with adults often results (and should result) in automatic limitations of the activity at hand. IE I'm not gonna cuss lol

[LianaThorne]

I really don't get why it's coming off like a bad thing for adults to not be interested in being around children/teenagers, outside of their own family members.

If you're personally cool with it, cool. I will question your motives 100% but at the end of the day, if you're not doing anything weird then fair enough. Maybe look into becoming a teacher.

If you're not cool with it, which is where I land, then that should be fine too. I personally think it is very odd that an adult would be on board with joining a group that included people underage or a lot younger than them, unless they just didn't have a choice in the matter.

Obviously there are some exceptions (therapy groups, vacation activities, etc.) where adult + minor interaction is unavoidable and potentially even healthy depending on the circumstances....but in a game where 18+ activities are a MASSIVE PART OF THE COMMUNITY, I think it's better to keep a distance and surround yourself with people of your own age that you can verify. 14 is not the place where people are going to automatically feel safe with teenagers around considering what goes on in this game and how people want to be able to live their alternative life without censoring it.

[caffe_macchiato]

People have forgotten which game we're talking about and it's baffling. This is Final Fantasy XIV. You know, the game where you get random tells to shag just because you're a lalafell. The one that has m**s to cater to every single fetish imaginable. We're even more degenerate than Second Life. Do you think that this game is safe for minors in any situation? Sure, some adult content won't harm teens. They see boobies on Google. But are they prepared to see giga-sized vore melons and dongs the size of skyscrapers? Do they really want to experience a "golden shower" complete with animation? And, more seriously, a ton of people use this game to facilitate deeper levels of cybersex, including the ever-popular "JOI" and "OOC bait". This may involve sharing real-life photos, or voice/video call, to help in their FFXIV "gameplay". This is what Final Fantasy XIV is for many people. And if a minor is involved, it's breaking the law.

There's no doubt that Square Enix is aware of what FFXIV has become, and the company the steady revenue they get from subscribers. But in the absence of any moderation from Square Enix (which is a small indie company), it behooves the community to protect themselves from incarceration by not interacting with minors.

[DPZ2]

Sometimes I find it a bit amusing when I interact with RPers. Most of the ones I have spoken to will always say stuff like, "I am an RP vet, I have been RPing for 15 - 20 years". And when you put the math together you find out they started when they were like 12 or 13. But then you look around at all these 18+ only places and it makes me wonder how a 13-year-old can begin in an RP hobby when everyone is so adamant about age. I bring this up because it's not just a one or two-time occurrence, I do meet a lot of people who claim they started at a young age. It makes you realize how times have changed.

Did you ever play a Table-Top RPG game? It doesn't seem like it. Role Playing games have existed for at least 50 years now. I know players who were teens even back then (the 1970s, in case you can't subtract 50 from 2024). The fact that you, personally, didn't play anything until hitting the Age of Majority is irrelevant, and condescending.

Not all Role Playing experience begins with online games.

Even so, RP gaming experiences from teens now in their 30s is not as uncommon as you might think. World of Warcraft is now 20 years old. RP in that game was a thing, even back at the beginning. Same thing with Everquest and any other MMORPG you might consider.

[ZavosEsperian]

People have forgotten which game we're talking about and it's baffling. This is Final Fantasy XIV. You know, the game where you get random tells to shag just because you're a lalafell.

If I had a nickel for every time this has happened, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot but it is weird it happened twice.

To the rest of your post, it reminds me of the Final Days: The fabric of Final Fantasy XIV began to fray, and the unchecked energies of creation begat malformed beasts. All one would have to do is scroll through other websites and they will find these creatures and their interests.

[Ravenblade1979]

People have forgotten which game we're talking about and it's baffling. This is Final Fantasy XIV. You know, the game where you get random tells to shag just because you're a lalafell. The one that has m**s to cater to every single fetish imaginable. We're even more degenerate than Second Life. Do you think that this game is safe for minors in any situation? Sure, some adult content won't harm teens. They see boobies on Google. But are they prepared to see giga-sized vore melons and dongs the size of skyscrapers? Do they really want to experience a "golden shower" complete with animation? And, more seriously, a ton of people use this game to facilitate deeper levels of cybersex, including the ever-popular "JOI" and "OOC bait". This may involve sharing real-life photos, or voice/video call, to help in their FFXIV "gameplay". This is what Final Fantasy XIV is for many people. And if a minor is involved, it's breaking the law.

There's no doubt that Square Enix is aware of what FFXIV has become, and many of them enjoy the steady revenue they get from subscribers. But in the absence of any moderation from the company (which is a small indie company), it behooves the community to protect themselves from incarceration by not interacting with minors.

You expecting most of the community to have intelligence?

[Padudu]

I just have a question for both of you : Do you forbid teenagers to read classic books? Because the majority of classic works deal with similar themes, so if it's a question of sparing them from themes deemed too "hard"... In that case, there's a lot of media that shouldn't be consumed.

... FFXIV included, even if it's very light most of the time. In view of your answers, I honestly wonder whether you're defending this protection of teenagers because we're talking about RP, an activity that can suffer from potential prejudices, or whether you're defending this point of view regardless of the medium concerned.

No, lol. I don't. There's usually a degree of separation you get with media that you can't really have through RP/interactions/ect. Most reasonable teens may be influenced by media, but they know -- or should know -- that the media displayed isn't reality. They can watch Game of Thrones, but like VirusOnline says, they may not be able to appreciate topics they touch on. I also don't think that teens would think GoT is, well, real.

With RP/online interactions, like before, you don't have that. Do you know why people have "my character = not me" or "no OOC relationships"? Because many, many people do not know boundaries or where to set them if the other person doesn't. RP makes it easy for lines to blur between what's real and what's not, and in all honesty do you want to place your trust in a FF14 RP rando to keep the boundaries set? For the most part, I wouldn't lol.

[Bonoki]

I just have a question for both of you : Do you forbid teenagers to read classic books? Because the majority of classic works deal with similar themes, so if it's a question of sparing them from themes deemed too "hard"... In that case, there's a lot of media that shouldn't be consumed.

... FFXIV included, even if it's very light most of the time. In view of your answers, I honestly wonder whether you're defending this protection of teenagers because we're talking about RP, an activity that can suffer from potential prejudices, or whether you're defending this point of view regardless of the medium concerned.

The fascinating thing about this is studies show that Kids/Teens who have been sheltered from this stuff tend to grow up more unintelligent to the workings of reality. By the time they reach adulthood, they lack social skills and other abilities form being sheltered. We want to protect the kids but there is a point where you can over sheltered a child so much that they are unrelaible for adulthood. It also has been believed that over protectiveness creates insecuritiy in young adults because they don't know how to do anything and don't understand adulthood when the time comes.

I really don't get why it's coming off like a bad thing for adults to not be interested in being around children/teenagers, outside of their own family members.

The mindset isn't that it's a bad thing. The problem is that adults are trying to create to many adult-oriented communities within spaces that children are allowed in and exiling them slowly from the game for not being adults. Initially, a few handful of them isn't a big deal, even preferred. The problem is just how many of these there are nowadays. There are so many in fact that people are now arguing if kids should even be allowed to touch FFXIV at all. A game with a lower age rating than Call of Duty.

but in a game where 18+ activities are a MASSIVE PART OF THE COMMUNITY

It was never dev intention for things to be this way in the first place. This is entirely on the people who have chosen to play FFXIV. The devs didn't create the 18+ communities, the devs didn't create 18+ mods. The devs didn't create the RP community that everyone wants to come to. The playerbase did all of that. They picked a game that does allow minors to play it and then want to alienate them. To further extend my point, there are some FFXIV Wikis that have an 18+ policy for joining their discord. Just for a simple Wiki resource.

What adults want is not inherently bad, the problem is the moderation of it or lack thereof by the rest of the community. It's an "Adult Swim" type situation but it's expanding across the entire game. Whether or not this is a good thing, I truly don't know and it's not for me to decide. I just wanted to point out the observations of it at least.

Did you ever play a Table-Top RPG game? It doesn't seem like it. Role Playing games have existed for at least 50 years now. I know players who were teens even back then (the 1970s, in case you can't subtract 50 from 2024). The fact that you, personally, didn't play anything until hitting the Age of Majority is irrelevant, and condescending.

Not all Role Playing experience begins with online games.

Even so, RP gaming experiences from teens now in their 30s is not as uncommon as you might think. World of Warcraft is now 20 years old. RP in that game was a thing, even back at the beginning. Same thing with Everquest and any other MMORPG you might consider.

Saying that I am condescending while being condensing towards me while failing to point out how what I said was condensing. Honestly bro I don't even know what you're talking about and how it relates to what I said, but you sure seem to make a whole lot of baseless assumptions about me. lol

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In truth, all this talk about morality is kind of irrelevant. The community is what it is now and it's not gonna be changing. We just gotta decide for ourselves how we want to interact with it.

[AlexiaD]

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It was never dev intention for things to be this way in the first place. This is entirely on the people who have chosen to play FFXIV. The devs didn't create the 18+ communities, the devs didn't create 18+ mods. The devs didn't create the RP community that everyone wants to come to. The playerbase did all of that. They picked a game that does allow minors to play it and then want to alienate them. To further extend my point, there are some FFXIV Wikis that have an 18+ policy for joining their discord. Just for a simple Wiki resource.

You say that while Yoshi P literally asked a cosplayer to step on him at an event. lmao

[Bonoki]

You say that while Yoshi P literally asked a cosplayer to step on him at an event. lmao

Got me there, but I never said the devs were perfect lol