Observations and suggestion for impeding bots grabbing FC plots

[Impia]

Dont let facts get in your way of hating multiowners buddy

I can't speak for him, but being that I've made my position known and you and I have regular disagreements, I'd like to clarify that I don't actually hate you. It's clear that you do care about housing, and I've seen you jump in and help others out on other subjects, going as far as to physically visit plots where a dispute had been brought up and sharing screenshots of your findings. That's helpful, it's clear you want to contribute positive things to the community. What I don't agree with is the condescending way you often address people when it comes to the subject of re-evaluating the housing system to make it more equitable and accessable.

For the record, I also don't agree with instanced housing. I love the neighborhood feel of wards, and I'd like to find an equitable way to preserve them. That's part of why I'm frustrated with people who buy up house after house for themselves. It's hardly a neighborhood if it's all owned by one person, and until mediums and larges are plentiful enough to satisfy the demand for them, I'll always find it unethical to hoard them for yourself.

[Corvus_V]

I can't speak for him, but being that I've made my position known and you and I have regular disagreements, I'd like to clarify that I don't actually hate you. It's clear that you do care about housing, and I've seen you jump in and help others out on other subjects, going as far as to physically visit plots where a dispute had been brought up and sharing screenshots of your findings. That's helpful, it's clear you want to contribute positive things to the community. What I don't agree with is the condescending way you often address people when it comes to the subject of re-evaluating the housing system to make it more equitable and accessable.

For the record, I also don't agree with instanced housing. I love the neighborhood feel of wards, and I'd like to find an equitable way to preserve them. That's part of why I'm frustrated with people who buy up house after house for themselves. It's hardly a neighborhood if it's all owned by one person, and until mediums and larges are plentiful enough to satisfy the demand for them, I'll always find it unethical to hoard them for yourself.

For what it's worth, I think that instanced housing would work and I also think that the neighborhood setting of a ward is preferable to it not existing and I definitely believe both is possible and I absolutely don't think one should just replace the other; but I think the 'exclusivity' of it is something that has no actual value. What I'm arguing for is that the value of housing being accessible and that people should be able to participate in the way they want, i.e) owning larges and mediums if that's what they want being weighed against what is effectively the sole functionality of the company workshop being exclusive to housing. I don't think that workshops being exclusive to housing, when already circumvented by the same means people buy up houses, is worth keeping everyone else out given that its simply not even the only advantage they have.

In the current system, without what we know as "housing mirage" and without instanced housing, I don't think there will ever really be enough mediums and larges for people without a restructuring of the landscape around wards to make any house work on any plot; and after that, there probably just might not even be enough plots for people. I also just flat out believe that wards would be a bit more populous if people who wanted it for things like hanging out, RPing, etc had houses; where other people might stick to an instance for the security; since wards are already pretty desolate. They're probably occupied mostly by people who simply don't play and are just worried about losing what they have and not being able to get any semblance of it back, and its obviously a pretty valid fear

Like, in theory, the demo system is a way to keep "active people" owning houses, but that's really just not what happens; and it's probably a large reason the neigbhorhood feeling we both actually want just doesn't happen.

[AlexiaD]

For what it's worth, I think that instanced housing would work and I also think that the neighborhood setting of a ward is preferable to it not existing and I definitely believe both is possible and I absolutely don't think one should just replace the other; but I think the 'exclusivity' of it is something that has no actual value. What I'm arguing for is that the value of housing being accessible and that people should be able to participate in the way they want, i.e) owning larges and mediums if that's what they want being weighed against what is effectively the sole functionality of the company workshop being exclusive to housing. I don't think that workshops being exclusive to housing, when already circumvented by the same means people buy up houses, is worth keeping everyone else out given that its simply not even the only advantage they have.

In the current system, without what we know as "housing mirage" and without instanced housing, I don't think there will ever really be enough mediums and larges for people without a restructuring of the landscape around wards to make any house work on any plot; and after that, there probably just might not even be enough plots for people. I also just flat out believe that wards would be a bit more populous if people who wanted it for things like hanging out, RPing, etc had houses; where other people might stick to an instance for the security; since wards are already pretty desolate. They're probably occupied mostly by people who simply don't play and are just worried about losing what they have and not being able to get any semblance of it back, and its obviously a pretty valid fear

Like, in theory, the demo system is a way to keep "active people" owning houses, but that's really just not what happens; and it's probably a large reason the neigbhorhood feeling we both actually want just doesn't happen.

Like, in theory, the demo system is a way to keep "active people" owning houses, but that's really just not what happens; and it's probably a large reason the neigbhorhood feeling we both actually want just doesn't happen

The demo system is a way for SE to make money, if you think they care about "active" players having houses, you are very mistaken, that's why I have repeated on this forum a million times that housing is the way SE wants it to be, they dont want it to change, they are swimming in money from people locked up to housing, it's all on purpose. And before you mention it, that doesnt mean I want instanced housing, not at all actually because it'd be absolutely depressing to have that, but I had to point out the real goal behind auto demo.

[Palin]

The demo system is a way for SE to make money, if you think they care about "active" players having houses, you are very mistaken, that's why I have repeated on this forum a million times that housing is the way SE wants it to be, they dont want it to change, they are swimming in money from people locked up to housing, it's all on purpose. And before you mention it, that doesnt mean I want instanced housing, not at all actually because it'd be absolutely depressing to have that, but I had to point out the real goal behind auto demo.

If you think about it, having auto demolition is pretty essential for housing with a limited number of plots. Without it, there eventually would be next to none new plots outside of game updates since very few would willingly relinquish their slots or even remember to do it.

Either way it's safe to say it's not a system that makes square tons of money since they could turn it off for two years on every datacenter when the pandemic hit, and continue to do so whenever disaster strikes somewhere across the world

[Solowing]

For what it's worth, I think that instanced housing would work and I also think that the neighborhood setting of a ward is preferable to it not existing and I definitely believe both is possible and I absolutely don't think one should just replace the other; but I think the 'exclusivity' of it is something that has no actual value. What I'm arguing for is that the value of housing being accessible and that people should be able to participate in the way they want, i.e) owning larges and mediums if that's what they want being weighed against what is effectively the sole functionality of the company workshop being exclusive to housing. I don't think that workshops being exclusive to housing, when already circumvented by the same means people buy up houses, is worth keeping everyone else out given that its simply not even the only advantage they have.

In the current system, without what we know as "housing mirage" and without instanced housing, I don't think there will ever really be enough mediums and larges for people without a restructuring of the landscape around wards to make any house work on any plot; and after that, there probably just might not even be enough plots for people. I also just flat out believe that wards would be a bit more populous if people who wanted it for things like hanging out, RPing, etc had houses; where other people might stick to an instance for the security; since wards are already pretty desolate. They're probably occupied mostly by people who simply don't play and are just worried about losing what they have and not being able to get any semblance of it back, and its obviously a pretty valid fear

Like, in theory, the demo system is a way to keep "active people" owning houses, but that's really just not what happens; and it's probably a large reason the neigbhorhood feeling we both actually want just doesn't happen.

It does keep players "active" Either you have a subscription and you login to check in the house within 45 days. Or you don't and lose it.

But it doesn't have a neighbourhood feel is because players tend to congregate in major city hubs. No reason to stay in the Mist, its shared but abit more isolated because 95% of the games content is not in the housing ward. So unless players are there by choice for their own reason. Its better just check out a major city if you're looking for social interaction or content.