XIV EW Job-Gameplay is Terrible... Why?

[Nabril]

- My personal hot-take...
PvE Combat Content comes and goes at varying excitements, boredom and difficulties. Regardless if you like Casual or High-End? you're going to have to pick a Job to do said content with. So the Job designs better be stellar. Not tolerable, not kinda okay, not spam 1 braindead button, not I duct-tape a keyboard around my forehead and faceroll another keyboard with it ( wait wha?... ) No... Amazingly Fun. But it seems sadly that Gameplay from Jobs seems heavily simplified, streamlined and neglected.

Seriously? You think PvE is just pushing one button over and over? You need to stop exploring low level areas. Get away from Limsa Lominsa and head into the current content. I mean sure, I CAN kill things as a BLM just by pushing Fire over and over and over, but the fights will take a lot longer. If I fight enough beasts, I'll run out of mana and I'll be forced to either stop fighting and wait for mana or push another button to recover my mana. If you're just pushing one button in order to make the fights last a long time or taping the keyboard to your head (I don't even want to know why you did that), that's your own problem.

Stop playing boring classes or stop lying to everyone here about all classes being played by pushing a single button.

[Astrahime]

Seriously? You think PvE is just pushing one button over and over? You need to stop exploring low level areas. Get away from Limsa Lominsa and head into the current content.

have you ever played a healer

[Nabril]

have you ever played a healer

I have. And yeah, in every single game, leveling healers is boring.

[Supersnow845]

I have. And yeah, in every single game, leveling healers is boring. That's why you level them in dungeons. You have every single class maxed out. Why do I have to explain that to you?

You know healers are required for all content right

The whole system falls apart if you level them in dungeons then ignore them

[Nizzi]

Get away from Limsa Lominsa and head into the current content.

post your clears of literally anything that is savage or above if you want to talk about heading into the current content

[ty_taurus]

Seriously? You think PvE is just pushing one button over and over? You need to stop exploring low level areas. Get away from Limsa Lominsa and head into the current content. I mean sure, I CAN kill things as a BLM just by pushing Fire over and over and over, but the fights will take a lot longer. If I fight enough beasts, I'll run out of mana and I'll be forced to either stop fighting and wait for mana or push another button to recover my mana. If you're just pushing one button in order to make the fights last a long time or taping the keyboard to your head (I don't even want to know why you did that), that's your own problem.

Stop playing boring classes or stop lying to everyone here about all classes being played by pushing a single button.

Some examples of healer action usage found during "current content" in the form of P10S, a savage fight that contains one of if not the single most intense healing check in this game: Harrowing Hell.

Yes, that is every healer dedicating over 50% of their total action usage to their level 1 basic attack spell. Yes, that is highly optimized play, and no that isn't the normal experience for most healer players, but the difference between the highly optimized healer and the more realistic savage healer is not going to be very different. Having a handful more GCD healing casts throughout the fight is not suddenly a more engaging experience, and even if it was, your reward for being an exceptional healer should not look like those dogshit action usage spreads.

[Sani2341]

Some examples of healer action usage found during "current content" in the form of P10S, a savage fight that contains one of if not the single most intense healing check in this game: Harrowing Hell.

Yes, that is every healer dedicating over 50% of their total action usage to their level 1 basic attack spell. Yes, that is highly optimized play, and no that isn't the normal experience for most healer players, but the difference between the highly optimized healer and the more realistic savage healer is not going to be very different. Having a handful more GCD healing casts throughout the fight is not suddenly a more engaging experience, and even if it was, your reward for being an exceptional healer should not look like those dogshit action usage spreads.

Don't even need close to optimized gameplay to hit that ceiling. Even with having to throw out extra healing for my chaos gremlin static on the regular, there's still about 45% of all casts spend on Broil/Dosis.

[CelestiCer]

Some examples of healer action usage found during "current content" in the form of P10S, a savage fight that contains one of if not the single most intense healing check in this game: Harrowing Hell.

Yes, that is every healer dedicating over 50% of their total action usage to their level 1 basic attack spell.

Knew it was bad, but only recently I tried healer? It feels terrible only after a few days...

My job got hit with eight simplifications ( give or take I'm losing count honestly ) and I tried looking up the casts done on my Job on why its so bad in late Endwalker patches or why it feels so more horrendous...

Here you can see my Job has turned into 1/5th Hissatsu: Shinten spamming gameplay. While most people who pick up Samurai as a side melee Job? on average they won't maximize the amount of Shinten's they can cast or even realize how much is being spammed in burst windows, but even then? the only thing to really weave is this skill. Here's a snapshot of a burst window... Its boring. And that's just Samurai after changes going into late Endwalker.

[ty_taurus]

Knew it was bad, but only recently I tried healer? It feels terrible only after a few days...

My job got hit with eight simplifications ( give or take I'm losing count honestly ) and I tried looking up the casts done on my Job on why its so bad in late Endwalker patches or why it feels so more horrendous...

You should see Scholar's job change history. Not to play the game of "who has it worse," because I definitely feel for Samurai players out there, but imagine your favorite job just getting gutted expansion after expansion after expansion. Scholar was, I believe, an accidental masterpiece in ARR and HW, and while there are good elements that have been added to Scholar, it has never been quite as beautiful in respects to the current content as it was back then. SB was tangential to HW, and I think the changes to Miasma II (after it was taken away and then returned early in SB) were a great change despite the loss of Bio as a separate DOT to Bio II. Ironically Expedient is one of the most interesting things Scholar has ever gotten. But time and time again, they have gutted Scholar's two most prominent pillars of identity: DOTs and Faeries. Selene was publicly guillotined with Shadowbringers, and Scholar has gone from having at least four DOTs within its own kit (excluding cross class Aero) to having one unnecessarily long one.

And then there's Sage who, if you're familiar with Super Smash Bros, is the Dr. Mario to Scholar's Mario--a character with admittedly different properties and a different down special, but is dangerously close to being an echo fighter. And it's worth mentioning because context clues indicate that Sage was going to be something so much greater, but was kneecapped right before EW could officially start.

[Nabril]

Knew it was bad, but only recently I tried healer? It feels terrible only after a few days...

My job got hit with eight simplifications ( give or take I'm losing count honestly ) and I tried looking up the casts done on my Job on why its so bad in late Endwalker patches or why it feels so more horrendous...

Here you can see my Job has turned into 1/5th Hissatsu: Shinten spamming gameplay. While most people who pick up Samurai as a side melee Job? on average they won't maximize the amount of Shinten's they can cast or even realize how much is being spammed in burst windows, but even then? the only thing to really weave is this skill. Here's a snapshot of a burst window... Its boring. And that's just Samurai after changes going into late Endwalker.

So what would you suggest? They stop changing everything with each expansion? No more new spells? Keep everyone the same level so they don't have to rebalance everything? Genuinely asking.

They drop a new expansion and we're all still level 90. No new abilities because that requires that they remove old abilities which also angers everyone. If they add new abilities without removing or streamlining old abilities, console controllers will need 15 more buttons. BLM got really crazy with Enochian and Fire IV. That needed to be streamlined in order to add even more spells or it would have been too many buttons. You see that right?

So I ask again, what do you suggest with each new expansion? Zero new spells and nothing taken away and remain at the same level so everything can remain exciting and complex and balanced?

Or do you prefer a complete revamp with all new abilities and all new complexities each and every single time we get a new expansion? That way nothing gets "streamlined". You start out having to learn a whole new job even though you're still playing SAM. It's got to be one or the other or we just run out of buttons or face streamlining.

I still have never seen this question answered. What do you hope to see in a new expansion? All the same buttons or all completely new buttons? Old or new?