Healers are punished too hard for dying

[Supersnow845]

That makes sense! Thanks for no spoilers :3

Still I do hope there are some better comeback mechanics introduced for when the healers drop but everyone else survives, at least in lower difficulty duties rather than savages and ultimates. Right now it feels like the healers making mistakes while learning mechanics (especially mechanics that involve people getting pushed off of platforms like with Titan and Leviathan) is very punishing to the party as a whole, at least from my experience with ARR Extremes where the healers getting dropped almost universally instantly ends the run in Duty Finder groups when it feels like it really shouldn't and it just is kinda wasting everyone's time. It just feels like when a wipe is going to happen it should be faster, and if the team can recover that should be faster too. Too much downtime. It makes me really wish there was a difficulty between Hard and Extreme because the gap between those two difficulties is huge at least in the older content I'm familiar with. Hard is completely effortless but then Extremes can eat sprouts alive, especially when there isn't someone in the party with preexisting knowledge of the mechanics. Legit a difference in clear speed between 0 wipes and 30+ in some cases.

You shouldn’t be doing extremes in DF, you should be progging them with dedicated parties in PF who are prepared to prog them till you clear

Relying on someone knowing the fight is part of the problem

[INovemI]

You shouldn’t be doing extremes in DF, you should be progging them with dedicated parties in PF who are prepared to prog them till you clear

Relying on someone knowing the fight is part of the problem

Believe it or not, this is actually significantly slower than simply using the Duty Finder. I usually get a DF clear in the time it takes simply to get a party together who wants to do it sync'd in PF. It's also often significantly less fun, with many expecting runs to be unsync'd or with someone who joins and knows the mechs so well that there's not any group problem solving and the only thing a clear depends upon is executing the fight properly. It's more fun to learn the mechanics by wiping a couple of times and figuring it out as a team than to have some guy look up the guide ahead of time and roll it all out in a chat message.

[Supersnow845]

Believe it or not, this is actually significantly slower than simply using the Duty Finder. I usually get a DF clear in the time it takes simply to get a party together who wants to do it sync'd in PF. It's also often significantly less fun, with many expecting runs to be unsync'd or with someone who joins and knows the mechs so well that there's not any group problem solving and the only thing a clear depends upon is executing the fight properly. It's more fun to learn the mechanics by wiping a couple of times and figuring it out as a team than to have some guy look up the guide ahead of time and roll it all out in a chat message.

That’s why you specifically put up blind learning parties, so you learn with a party that wants to learn. You don’t drag unwitting players through extremes in DF, that’s not what DF is designed for, even then half the time a blind DF party is just being led by a mentor who vaguely remembers the mechanics anyway

[INovemI]

That’s why you specifically put up blind learning parties, so you learn with a party that wants to learn. You don’t drag unwitting players through extremes in DF, that’s not what DF is designed for, even then half the time a blind DF party is just being led by a mentor who vaguely remembers the mechanics anyway

What do you mean that's not what Duty Finder is designed for? If it wasn't "designed" to be able to use Duty Finder to clear the content, then it wouldn't be there and it wouldn't be in roulette. Usually 6/8 players in DF Extreme are Sprouts, never seen it be less than 5/8. Are these usually led by mentors who vaguely remember the mechanics? Yes, and that's not a problem. I have had successful clears in 90% of all of the Extreme DFs I've ever done, and I have cleared all of ARR's Extremes in DF at least twice. Party Finder is significantly slower at getting clears and there are very few sprouts - especially in the window between the last content drop of an expansion and the next one - who are in the Party Finder looking to complete these duties, let alone are actively looking to blind prog Extremes with other sprouts. I don't know about Heavensward and onward Extremes but I can confirm from my own experience, including actively trying to use Party Finder only to be all but forced into doing it unsync'd by the people who joined, ARR Extremes are universally best completed via the Duty Finder. This content is far too old to fill parties in a timely manner without Mentor Roulette, and the integration of Mentors is often critical to clear duties with more abstract mechanics (particularly Ramuh and Leviathan, which are the only two Extremes other than Titan I have ever failed to clear... and that's just cause Titan's the hardest one to execute correctly by far).

[Supersnow845]

What do you mean that's not what Duty Finder is designed for? If it wasn't "designed" to be able to use Duty Finder to clear the content, then it wouldn't be there and it wouldn't be in roulette. Usually 6/8 players in DF Extreme are Sprouts, never seen it be less than 5/8. Are these usually led by mentors who vaguely remember the mechanics? Yes, and that's not a problem. I have had successful clears in 90% of all of the Extreme DFs I've ever done, and I have cleared all of ARR's Extremes in DF at least twice. Party Finder is significantly slower at getting clears and there are very few sprouts - especially in the window between the last content drop of an expansion and the next one - who are in the Party Finder looking to complete these duties, let alone are actively looking to blind prog Extremes with other sprouts. I don't know about Heavensward and onward Extremes but I can confirm from my own experience, including actively trying to use Party Finder only to be all but forced into doing it unsync'd by the people who joined, ARR Extremes are universally best completed via the Duty Finder. This content is far too old to fill parties in a timely manner without Mentor Roulette, and the integration of Mentors is often critical to clear duties with more abstract mechanics (particularly Ramuh and Leviathan, which are the only two Extremes other than Titan I have ever failed to clear... and that's just cause Titan's the hardest one to execute correctly by far).

This isn’t the thread for this discussion, we’ve derailed the topic enough

I will just say what you are doing won’t work going forward because that’s not how extremes are designed, the mentor roulette including extremes has always been controversial but in general it just teaches the wrong habits, you can get by in ARR extremes because of gear and skill bloat but it won’t work anywhere past that. If you really want to do the extremes you need to learn to use PF and to tap into the MINE discords if you want to do said content, forcing the mentor roulette to pop it really isn’t a long term strategy