Why is Summoner healing so nerfed, even compared to other DPS?

[Dvandom]

So, I've been searching around for an hour or so now, along with others in my FC, trying to figure out why Summoner heals are so pathetic. Yes, part of it is the lower Mind score, but that can't be everything.

For instance, Second Wind on a DPS has potency of 500. On a L68 Bard with Determination 582 and Healing Magic Potency 223, I get about 2200 HP of healing.

Switching to Summoner 70 with Determination 657 and healing magic potency 226 (not to mention Maim & Mend II), the potency 400 Physick gives me...mid-400s.

I tried comparing to Blue Mage, but I only have White Wind (effect independent of potency) and the one that's deliberately bad unless you're in the healer-ish stance, but Blue Mage also has Maim & Mend all the way to V at Level 70, so should be expected to do better.

Does cooldown grant a hidden boost to potency that's that big? (In other words, while Second Wind says it's potency 500, the 60 second base cooldown makes it work as if it were potency 2000 or something.)

Are Summoners SPECIFICALLY nerfed, like a different equation for cure effect that omits Determination entirely or weights it very poorly?

---Dave

[Supersnow845]

Second wind scales off……..strength and dex I believe because it’s a specifically designed DPS healing skill, physick scales off mind which SMN has functionally none of since mind comes almost exclusively from healer gear

It’s the same reason why Phoenix healing is impactful but physick is not, because pheonix healing scales off int and not mind

[Post]

It's as Supersnow says. PLD's Clemency/WAR's Equilibrium (but not any of the 'absorb HP' actions, like Nascent Flash, Abyssal Drain or Bloodbath) likewise based off of STR.

It's only Physick due to SMN and SCH both sharing an origin in ACN, even though technically the spell that SCHs use has actually been a different one (in the game's backend) since like, 5.0 or something.

If you go into a dungeon below level 50 using sub-level 50 Disciple of Magic gear and book, the kind that has both +INT and + MND in equal amounts, you'll see that SMN's Physick is a perfectly functional heal until it hits 50 and all the +MND is gone from its equipment.

Pre StB, BLM could cross class Physick from ACN as well and it likewise was able to heal at the sub-50 level ranges well enough in a "healer died" or out-of-MP pinch, especially because it was then the only job with an AoE Sleep effect.

[NobleWinter]

I'm still shocked that SMN Physic somehow survived as a terrible ability thru the ground up rework they gave to SMN and Arcanist. I hate to believe it was an intentional choice.

[Mayhemmer]

I'm still shocked that SMN Physic somehow survived as a terrible ability thru the ground up rework they gave to SMN and Arcanist. I hate to believe it was an intentional choice.

I'd wager it's because there's no realistic expectation for it to be anything more than what it is, just like there's no realistic expectation for a SMN to use it in content past level 35-ish. There's no real need for it to be addressed on SMN.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I joked about the reason why they even kept that button on the hotbar was because they only realized how barren their hotbar looked the moment they axed literally almost every button they have from ShB going into EW.

[AnotherPerson]

I joked about the reason why they even kept that button on the hotbar was because they only realized how barren their hotbar looked the moment they axed literally almost every button they have from ShB going into EW.

I thought it was more of a class identity thing than anything since ACN as a tactician was meant to work with all 3 roles to a particular degree but not in the same degree as a specialized role. We still have Radiant Aegis as a callback to tank/defensive egi and physick was meant for healing / introduction to SCH route.
That being said, the hotbar definitely feels empty when virtually every skill is just another flavor of Ruin until 80+...

[rawker]

Either change how Physick works or remove it on ACN and just add it to SCH once unlocked, like what they have done to the DoTs. In my humblest opinion, ACN class should be pet-centric. SMN and SCH add variant to establish its identity as magical DPS or healer, respectively.

[Supersnow845]

Either change how Physick works or remove it on ACN and just add it to SCH once unlocked, like what they have done to the DoTs. In my humblest opinion, ACN class should be pet-centric. SMN and SCH add variant to establish its identity as magical DPS or healer, respectively.

It needs to stay on ACN unfortunately because SCH needs a spammable heal when it’s synced below 30 (even though eos does 99% of the healing at that level)

I don’t think it’s possible to give a job that starts at 30 a skill that actually unlocks at say level 4 but can only be used on the job and not the class

[rawker]

Well ACN no longer has access to Bio but if you get queued in Sastasha as SCH, you get Bio (level 2 SCH)