/r/ffxivdiscussion: Has FFXIV had any major retcons or plot holes in the story?

[Turtledeluxe]

I have already addressed this misconception and misdirection many times in previous posts, such as here:

In my very first post ITT I made it clear I'm aware of how XIV utilizes time travel differently across various instances, but there's literally no indication that the Elpis visit either is an alternate timeline, or results in an alternate timeline.

Also I'm sorry, how did Venat sabotage Zodiark unfairly exactly? Can you explain this? The sundering is just an attack. If Zodiark was strong, he theoretically would have offset it. What prevented him from doing that? Did she sneak up behind him?

And I'm not policing-- you're wording just doesn't describe the scene. Who exactly is gushing? Can you cite some dialogue? The Scions question her and then kill her. That's what happens. She gushes over them.

You did not answer my earlier question relating to Pandaemonium. Have you completed that raid series yet? It is, in turn, another example of the player character going back in time and altering things which dispels the belief that venturing to Elpis would be a one time only affair or that the presence of the player character would not result in meaningful change.

I did the raid and the only thing I can think of that you may be referring to is the appearance of the dungeon in the present time? Otherwise I am not sure. I wouldn't say that's meaningful change. That's just change. By definition it's a side story, not a major plot point of the game. Also on the subject of Athena, she's basically just a crazy ahole, a shock figure. There's nothing tragic or complicated about her at all.

This right here is my issue. "What's wrong with survival of the fittest."

The morals of Endwalker corrupts the morals of its playerbase. If you don't understand why it's wrong to wipe out a people and replace it with a "superior" people, then maybe FF14 should stop trying to teach morality as they are doing a terrible job at it.
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But as I've already pointed out, that if you subscribe to the theory that she not only has foreknowledge (because of WoL) and agency (because Elidibus is a liar), this means that despite just meeting the WoL and being relayed the state of existence today, that it's somehow more right to doom the future. This, sadly, makes your claims to being an empath deader than a door nail. You are not empathetic, you are just someone who wanted Zodiark to win, for some unknown reason.

Which, btw, I'm fine with people wanting Zodiark to win. But it's like, just be honest. I also wonder-- let's say in reality Venat is our creator and you meet her and you have to contend with this situation. I don't understand your position. You're averse to the fittest surviving, so is the answer for humanity to elect to self terminate? You want to literally destroy the timeline of all human history, because ancient peoples had a rough time and an unfair ending*?