Okay they weren't lying about the relic

[Supersnow845]

My bad on Eureka's xp then. Thought it was the same as Bozja, it's been a while. But also congratulations for never having an issue getting a party in there. But also, we shouldn't need them so much if they are so accessible. Also just gonna throw out there for the Bozja NM's; dying sucks and if the system wants you to die a lot, that's a punishing system and I'd rather not deal with it. Nor do I want other people to be forced to deal with it either.

It’s an MMO, I really don’t get the logic, do you do the tomestones steps entirely by soloing variant dungeons, asking for a party to better do content is the absolutely most bare bones foundational behaviour of an MMO

[Xirean]

It’s an MMO, I really don’t get the logic, do you do the tomestones steps entirely by soloing variant dungeons, asking for a party to better do content is the absolutely most bare bones foundational behaviour of an MMO

No, but I can and that's part of why I prefer it. Even if you can't que into dungeons you can still do other things to get tomes.

Edit: If you are wondering why I specifically don't want to need a party for exploratory zones it's because you don't need a party in the rest of the overworld zones. They call it exploratory content but you are punished for exploring without baby sitters. Quite lame if you ask me.

[Supersnow845]

No, but I can and that's part of why I prefer it. Even if you can't que into dungeons you can still do other things to get tomes.

So functionally whether something is accessible or not is entirely based on your ability to have the option of soloing it and not being punished in any way shape or form for wanting to do it entirely solo

I genuinely don’t understand why someone would hold this opinion while playing an MMO

It’s not like there is a shortage of single player collectathon style games

[NekoMataMata]

So functionally whether something is accessible or not is entirely based on your ability to have the option of soloing it and not being punished in any way shape or form for wanting to do it entirely solo

I genuinely don’t understand why someone would hold this opinion while playing an MMO

It’s not like there is a shortage of single player collectathon style games

You're arguing with a brickwall who at this point is just looking to make up excuses.

The capacity for people to solo it is irrelevant. It's disingenuous to expect people to do so just for a relic. I'm firmly of the opinion that tomes is the best way to do the relic. Considering how much the HW relic just got turned into a poetics dump, this just seems like a stream lined process.

[Xirean]

You're arguing with a brickwall who at this point is just looking to make up excuses.

You are comparing soloing exploring a large open zone with something that has an exclusive title. The two are not even close to the same.

So functionally whether something is accessible or not is entirely based on your ability to have the option of soloing it and not being punished in any way shape or form for wanting to do it entirely solo

I genuinely don’t understand why someone would hold this opinion while playing an MMO

It’s not like there is a shortage of single player collectathon style games

No, not at all. The lack of accessibility comes in a lot of ways for those zones. But at this point it seems like you two really just don't care.

The exclusive title you're referencing is for soloing up to floor 200. No one said you had to solo that. You only have to solo 10 floors, and soloing the first 50 or even first 100 floors is rather accessible.

You're just here to make up excuses at this point.

First you stated that regardless of whether or not something could be done solo was irrelevant. Now you're mentioning that it's one of your criteria. Your shifting the conversation around in any which direction you can in an attempt to make fairly reasonable content seem like it's ultimate level difficulty and inaccessible.

Nice to know I was right about you not caring. And no, I am not comparing it to Ultimate level difficulty. You mentioned "putting in the work and it is accessible". That's effectively what Extreme, Savage, and Ultimates are. Put in the work and you get it. That was the only reason I made the comparison to begin with and it flew right over your head.

[NekoMataMata]

You are comparing soloing exploring a large open zone with something that has an exclusive title. The two are not even close to the same.



No, not at all. The lack of accessibility comes in a lot of ways for those zones. But at this point it seems like you two really just don't care.

The exclusive title you're referencing is for soloing up to floor 200. No one said you had to solo that. You only have to solo 10 floors, and soloing the first 50 or even first 100 floors is rather accessible.

You're just here to make up excuses at this point.

First you stated that regardless of whether or not something could be done solo was irrelevant. Now you're mentioning that it's one of your criteria. Your shifting the conversation around in any which direction you can in an attempt to make fairly reasonable content seem like it's ultimate level difficulty and inaccessible.

[Supersnow845]

You are comparing soloing exploring a large open zone with something that has an exclusive title. The two are not even close to the same.



No, not at all. The lack of accessibility comes in a lot of ways for those zones. But at this point it seems like you two really just don't care.

I’m still genuinely trying to figure out where this accessibility comes from, if not being punished for wanting to do it solo makes it more accessible then it’s inherently a criteria for what counts as accessible