Okay they weren't lying about the relic

[Xirean]

Bozja definitely has it's failings, but that's why they should've improved upon them.

The entire ShB relic process gave us alternatives for each step that could be done outside of Bozja. The biggest failing was that the alternative step for DR and just them refusing to future proof DR.

DR should not take 10 mins to queue into it with 8 people, and the timeworns from PotD should be increased + guaranteed.

Just gonna chime in here and say that the alternatives in ShB also kinda suck. The idea of being required to grind a specific content for a relic just because it's the only place that drops the random new quest currency is just bad. I hope in DT the new exploration zone is better than the previous, but just having an option to do the relic outside of the zone isn't enough imo. Especially if the requirement is to grind other dead non future proofed content like Palace of the Dead.

[NekoMataMata]

Just gonna chime in here and say that the alternatives in ShB also kinda suck. The idea of being required to grind a specific content for a relic just because it's the only place that drops the random new quest currency is just bad. I hope in DT the new exploration zone is better than the previous, but just having an option to do the relic outside of the zone isn't enough imo. Especially if the requirement is to grind other dead non future proofed content like Palace of the Dead.

You realize you can solo PotD right? I realize that currently the payout for doing so in regards to ShB's relic is awful, but the content itself isn't dead or difficult.

Sorry, but this is where I draw the line. At this point you may as well make the admission that you want the relics for tomes or free.

ShB Relic Steps Summarized (not including one time steps):
First time free, 1,000 poetics every relic after
3 sets of 20 memories, either from each zone in Bozja or from fates in different HW zones
6 memories, anywhere in Bozja or from level 60 dungeons + 1 per day from levelling roulette
15 memories, 5 per CLL, 1 per CT, 1 per CE
15 timeworns, 3 per DR, 1 possibly per 10 floors of potd
15 raw emotions, 3 per Dalriada, 2 per DR, 1 per level 70 SB dungeons

I agree with rebalancing the last 3 but to outright change them makes it clear that you're not content with alternatives.

[Xirean]

You realize you can solo PotD right? I realize that currently the payout for doing so in regards to ShB's relic is awful, but the content itself isn't dead or difficult.

Sorry, but this is where I draw the line. At this point you may as well make the admission that you want the relics for tomes or free.

ShB Relic Steps Summarized (not including one time steps):
First time free, 1,000 poetics every relic after
3 sets of 20 memories, either from each zone in Bozja or from fates in different HW zones
6 memories, anywhere in Bozja or from level 60 dungeons + 1 per day from levelling roulette
15 memories, 5 per CLL, 1 per CT, 1 per CE
15 timeworns, 3 per DR, 1 possibly per 10 floors of potd
15 raw emotions, 3 per Dalriada, 2 per DR, 1 per level 70 SB dungeons

I agree with rebalancing the last 3 but to outright change them makes it clear that you're not content with alternatives.

The capacity for people to solo it is irrelevant. It's disingenuous to expect people to do so just for a relic. I'm firmly of the opinion that tomes is the best way to do the relic. Considering how much the HW relic just got turned into a poetics dump, this just seems like a stream lined process.

[TaleraRistain]

Should of made the relic 660 ilvl and make people actually do savage content better yet make the high end raiders feel rewarded rather then wait to have it replaced,
Do savage or spend 6000 tomes, a massive slap in the face to all people who did the tier. Be proud casual Players you don't deserve it.

You must be new here. The relic has always been the non-raiding alternative to a BiS weapon. Gear obtained through Savage and gear obtained through normal content always come to the same end point minus something like special glams or dyeing because we're all set back close to 0 to start the next expansion on the same footing. This actually benefits Savage raiders because Savage gear doesn't trivialize the new content. The reward Savage raiders get is getting the shiny first and everyone knowing (not that many really care) that they got the shiny back when it was still limited. The other reward (arguably maybe the real reward) is that dopamine hit when you tackle something hard with others and conquer it.

[Tsurayu]

Yeah.. I was really hoping there would be some little extra bit for the final step of the relic, but I can't say I'm surprised or that Square Enix mislead us this time around, heh.

I wasn't super fond of the relic this time around, but I don't really understand the people complaining about how it was nothing but a tomestone grind.. and? Many of the relics, and their respective steps, ultimately devolved into a tomestone grind. Sure there may have been extra "things" to do in between, but ultimatly tomestone grinding was still the name of the game. I totally understand being displeased with the relic grind this time around, but be a bit more specific about your grievances than that.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I look forward to an ultra grindy Dawntrail relic so I can watch these forums erupt into tears all day and night. Yoshi hears your feedback. Enjoy what is coming.

Y’know what? Very unlikely but sure, yes please. Give me that sort of grind.

Even something like 255 Delubrum normals on patch was better than this.

[RitsukoSonoda]

Y’know what? Very unlikely but sure, yes please. Give me that sort of grind.

Even something like 255 Delubrum normals on patch was better than this.

Sounding like Dawntrail is going to have more FFXI callbacks than just the alliance raid.

Maybe we'll get FFXI relic weapons too...

Step 1 Find rusty relic weapon, Collect 400 ancient currency items and acquire 3 rare crafting materials. Trade to an NPC and wait 1 game day
Step 2 Collect 1400 of a different ancient currency than step 1 along with a collection of weapons from the same weapon type and trade to an NPC and wait 2 Earth Hours
Step 3 Collect 6100 of yet another ancient currency different than the previous 2 steps. Complete tasks to acquire item needed from specific NMs. Trade to an NPC and wait 1 Earth Hour
Step 4 Collect 10,000 of the ancient currency used on step 1 along with 2 specific drops from specific enemies. Find the hidden ??? clicky spot in the world that is different for each weapon. Trade stuff there to get finished weapon.

Oh I can already see the rivers of tears this would create with a certain part of the player base. :3

[NekoMataMata]

The capacity for people to solo it is irrelevant. It's disingenuous to expect people to do so just for a relic. I'm firmly of the opinion that tomes is the best way to do the relic. Considering how much the HW relic just got turned into a poetics dump, this just seems like a stream lined process.

Not sure if you know what disingenuous means.

PotD also isn't dead. People use it for leveling still. People grind aetherpool for the shiny weapons there. You even have people still going for their first trips to floor 200 so they can go to HoH and EO. You do have to look a bit harder for a team if you want another group, but the content isn't dead just because you say it's dead.

Here's a real example of disingenuity though; your outright suggestion of tomes being the best way without backing it up besides pointing to HW relics as precedent. Even then, HW relics still make you go through various duties, and most of the tome dump steps have alternatives to straight up grinding poetics.

[Supersnow845]

The heavensward relics weren’t even tome dumps on launch anyway, it’s just that most of the systems that facilitated them don’t really exist anymore

Like those items you get early on used to require crafting materials from the diadem back when it was field content rather than an attachment to ishargdian restoration, other parts you could get (and technically still get) with things like beast tribe tokens encouraging you to do it as part of your daily progression, same as the umbrite step which on patch most people got from leves or crafting scrips, now you just run unsynced ARR extremes

Then the light step we now just form parties and unsync A9S but on patch you generally did it by equipping it and doing your daily tasks and activities

It’s always been disingenuous to say the anima relics are poetic dumps, that or you started in ShB and assume they’ve always been done this way

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

I can’t wrap my head around the ”Anima being straight up poetic dump”-sentiment. That’s not telling the entire story.

Sure you need a chunk for Umbrites—around 4,500 to 5,000 poetic per weapon. Add Aether Oil bringing in more 1,750 needed. But do you really farm the rest needed items with poetic, too? Do you not strategize how you want to generate the crystal sands whether you use Moonstones, Scripts, etc? Do you not strategize how much Singing Clusters you want to get via poetic vs daily & weekly quest? Do you clear ‘light farm’ step with 1,500 tomes? Do you not try to manage different types of currencies?

This comes from a ShB baby who never experienced the grind in its inception day.