Okay they weren't lying about the relic

[strawberrycake]

All This.

I cleared Heroic Amirdrassil 2 weeks ago lmfao, I play XIV and WoW regularly as a full time nurse. I have plenty of time to play other games and deal with irl shit. You're also talking about a version of WoW from several years ago fam. Thats not whats going on today in the game. Mage tower is back, Content is evergreen and not being removed and a lot of content is being added back by player request. If only XIV could catch up.

WoW Aside, XIV can easily account for you not liking a grind and still making relics fun to get. They can just an Alternative after people do the grind and it's not relavent and people like you can then go tome form to your hearts content. Thats what competent devs do, find middle grounds for everyone and make everyone feel valid. For some reason Yoshida and SE don't get that tho.

[CaptainLagbeard]

I think HW had the best Relic grind, except one trading bit early where you needed to craft HQ stuff out of materials from the now-deleted Diadem... They added in other ways to get those items later on which made it a lot more accessible anyone who didn't have all crafters leveled or didn't have too much gil.

But the rest of it involved a generally quantifiable grind of basically various forms of content to get the Sands, and the Light step of "Just run level max level content".

[Arlythe]

All this

Just to be clear, in case it didn't come through.
I do like grinds here and there. If they feel rewarding.
Bozja and Eureka didn't feel rewarding, because all it gave us was a shiny weapon and a slightly higher ilvl.

Ultimate/Mythic raiding is also a grind in some aspect. Beating hard bosses, overcoming trials in a group, that's rewarding.
I even found, in case you played back then, the argent tournament fun, because you had all those inbetween rewards and it did include enough mini games and group efforts to keep it entertaining.

But again, just stating my opinion, we don't have to agree.

[Zumi]

I think the relics using tomestones is great. I much prefer this to the grind like Bozja and Eureka. Those grinds were unbearable. Tomestones you can get by pretty much doing anything in the game this works so much better then doing a tedius grind in like Eureka or Bozja.

I hope SE continues with tomestone weapons in next expansion.

[Avoidy]

The tome grind feels hella lazy. But if I'm being real? The weapons weren't worth a real grind anyway imo, and the content available for us to grind in EW was super lackluster. Imagine having to grind island sanctuary materials for the stuff we got today. Or being told to do Route 3 on Mount Rokkon 20 times or something. I want something to do as well, but the "one and done" content we've gotten in EW isn't conducive for a relic grind imo. At least in ShB, bozja was kinda fun to chill in (imo, I know people will disagree here and that's OK) and even when the grind got bad ("do crystal tower dozens of times!") it was worth it because some of those weapons were serious bangers... but these? I can't even remember what they look like off the top of my head. Whenever I see a cool weapon while I'm in town and I click on the dude to see where it's from, 9 times out of 10 it's from the HW or the SB era because so much good stuff is in the past before the devs realized they could just coast and started taking player good will for granted.

I hope DT has content with replayability, and relics that I'll actually want. I've glammed over nearly all of them and just used them for stats on alt jobs that I don't play much. I'll get these because it's free, and in the process I'll add to the engagement metric telling these devs that the content is great when it isn't. We're probably going to see a return of this in DT. It's easy to design. Everybody does it so the engagement is high which tells the devs it's good content. Why wouldn't they bring it back? Because a few of us on the English forums hate it? There're so many more people who're just like "I hope they keep it like this because I just want to /beesknees in limsa with my shiny weapon for doing my roulettes" Lol. It is what it is.

[DiaDeem]

So... I made a thread about this a while ago, and I've finally come to some conclusions about how I feel.

Overall, I'm disappointed with how Relics were handled this time. Personally, I like my item rewards in games to have quests feel meaningful and interesting. From the Biggoron's Sword in Ocarina of Time, to the Rotten Winged Sword Insignia and the Shard of Alexander in Elden Ring, and from the fully powered up Master Sword in BotW to, well... my Scholar Anima, which is still one of my favorites to glam on more than one set.

This feels like getting the Giant's Knife instead of the Biggoron's Sword. It looks the same, it kinda works the same... but you just buy it for $200 and it feels hollow. Also, it breaks.

All my jobs are 90 and I have no interest whatsoever in getting all the relics for all my jobs, something I attempted in ShB, and though that quest line had its own issues and I never finished them all, it still felt like a meaningful quest.

That's just me though. I know some people are having a wonderful time collecting as many relics as possible, and I truly don't mean to rain on their parade. I'm just a bit disappointed with the content myself, but that is all.

[SquigglesMajor]

I'm not saying tomes should always be the standard but to say you're insulted because the game doesn't ask you to grind hundreds of HW fates is honestly ridiculous. Mindless grinding isn't work, and farming out fates or obsolete alliance raids isn't any more meaningful than doing the content you actually enjoy and getting tomes. If you think mindlessly farming PotD for rng drops over and over is somehow more of an achievement than running current endgame content, pvp, or even hunts then please play a different game.

If the issue was a lack of field operations, that I could at least understand. With Stormblood and Shadowbringer yes the grind existed outside of the new zones, but you had a secondary form of progression to go with the weapon. It was slower but I could earn rewards from the relic by doing unique content. The problem is those zones only work when they are current. Now Eureka and Bozja are basically unplayable. You might get lucky and find an instance with players only at certain times. If you need to run Delubrum Reginae you're out of luck without some kind of discord group. Even with scaling you need a group and it'll take you 40 minutes without everyone running the best gear and items. Tomes make relics evergreen. I don't know if they plan on switching the cost to poetics, or if they intend to constantly adjust the cost to be the current uncapped tomes. Whatever they choose all players have the option of pursuing these weapons, and I think that's more important than some kind of trophy for wasting your time.

[EgilTheStressedMage]

Guess it wouldn't shock you to know that as someone who started in ShB and is playing catch up, I'm working on that.

Have all ARR relics, all HW relics, putting Eureka off for now(have completed the storyline though and will grind eventually), and am currently 3/17 Bozja relics.

All while most likely touching more grass/snow than you do since when I log in because I actually play the game instead of staring at my screen drooling.

Are you saying you think the Manderville relics are fine while achieving all that?

[Arrius]

I think the relics using tomestones is great. I much prefer this to the grind like Bozja and Eureka. Those grinds were unbearable. Tomestones you can get by pretty much doing anything in the game this works so much better then doing a tedius grind in like Eureka or Bozja.

I hope SE continues with tomestone weapons in next expansion.

Also, I get them together with my FC folks which do daily roulettes instead of them being all over the place and in different zones, especially with those who don't have much time on their hands.

Though I would not mind a detailed explanation of why they decided to go with this type of relic progression, so I can understand their mindset behind it.

[WantlessYoYo]

I'm not saying tomes should always be the standard but to say you're insulted because the game doesn't ask you to grind hundreds of HW fates is honestly ridiculous. Mindless grinding isn't work, and farming out fates or obsolete alliance raids isn't any more meaningful than doing the content you actually enjoy and getting tomes. If you think mindlessly farming PotD for rng drops over and over is somehow more of an achievement than running current endgame content, pvp, or even hunts then please play a different game.

If the issue was a lack of field operations, that I could at least understand. With Stormblood and Shadowbringer yes the grind existed outside of the new zones, but you had a secondary form of progression to go with the weapon. It was slower but I could earn rewards from the relic by doing unique content. The problem is those zones only work when they are current. Now Eureka and Bozja are basically unplayable. You might get lucky and find an instance with players only at certain times. If you need to run Delubrum Reginae you're out of luck without some kind of discord group. Even with scaling you need a group and it'll take you 40 minutes without everyone running the best gear and items. Tomes make relics evergreen. I don't know if they plan on switching the cost to poetics, or if they intend to constantly adjust the cost to be the current uncapped tomes. Whatever they choose all players have the option of pursuing these weapons, and I think that's more important than some kind of trophy for wasting your time.

Can't say i relate, specially being in the same DC as you
Everytime i enter Bozja is packed and people run Delbrum regardless on a weekly basis due to the gold coins, so i'm not really seeing where you're pulling out that is unplayable