Okay they weren't lying about the relic

[WantlessYoYo]

In my whole time playing XIV(2-3 years now) i've only added one person after a roulette, and that was because we both would grind mentor and find each other more often than not, and when it did it pretty much meant a fast dungeon, along both sharing solo DD title so that would add quite the conversation

Now while talking about said social aspect Eureka and Bozja are if not better the best place in this game to work along community

In Eureka having to constantly move around, people calling elementals, fates with/or fate trains, forcefully doing groups, resurrection missions to avoid people loosing levels with the cherry on top being Baldesion arsenal, an instance that requires communication, guidance and work of over 48 people
I could tell about that one time on a rez mission like 4 of us ended up dying on the Pagos cliff, how me and another guy almost didn't make it after a dragon on Pyros and only because a lala that was highly underleved for the area we were SLEPT IT or that one time we killed Luigi with mere 3 seconds on the clock

Bozja? Hell even more

Forced again to constantly do parties for the bosses, people farming clusters together, the duels with always a great audience cheering the one dueling (before cheesing was a thing ofc) with but a reward for everyone if the duel is won
And of course again, both Dalriada and Castrum, with ONCE AGAIN having to make parties, mantaining a constant communication between the two sides on the bosses health, again communication for the rescues, the switches with the lasers while 3 parties have to be split

From here i'll just put a single story of how (again) a lala on Zadnor, area 1, had no one helping him to spawn fates for it because everyone just goes to area 3, so i just helped him tirelessly
I'm proud to say he's a person that now really looks foward to me and him reaching the point of going from semi-casual to an ultimate raider is a thing i can say

Exploratory zones are more than just relics, it groups the community together

[Noox-115]

I look forward to an ultra grindy Dawntrail relic so I can watch these forums erupt into tears all day and night. Yoshi hears your feedback. Enjoy what is coming.

I'm ready and I'm waiting for it

[Noox-115]

I think the graphical update is to blame. it's their priority and contents are neglected because of it.

Possibly, as criticizable Endwalker is,I do hope it was just a push for Dawntrail. A transition from what happened before and what will happen next.

[EgilTheStressedMage]

I look forward to an ultra grindy Dawntrail relic so I can watch these forums erupt into tears all day and night. Yoshi hears your feedback. Enjoy what is coming.

If they played as hard as they cried, they would have all the relics from every expansion and ARR by now.

[Ath192]

I think the graphical update is to blame. it's their priority and contents are neglected because of it.

This is the one good decision they made recently, and the only reason why a ton of people are not unsubbing if I had to guess. I am one of them. If I wasn't curious how much better this game is going to look going forward I'd be hanging up my weapons. It's not like a new bozja would be reason enough to stay for another expansion. Let's be honest.

[Arlythe]

You mean the MMO with a solid raid tier, great replayable content, and meaninful ways to earn gear while keeping your work schedule in mind and not making your play all day long to just feel rewarded. That was XIV two expansions ago. Now XIV is just FF16 with weaker graphics lmao

Solid raid tier, yes. Replayable content, yes, until they patch it out of the game like mage tower, certain raid achievements and timed events, or they keep it in and remove the reward from it like the title you earned for achieving green fire as a lock. Meaningful ways to earn gear how? Crafting is, at least up until dragonflight, a joke. As a PVP player more often than bit you were forced to play PVE for BiS items. M+ chest can be nice, until you pull the same shoulder pads for the fifth week in a row (actually happened to me). It might have improved in DF, I haven't played that.

But saying it's keeping work scheduled in mind, that just tells me you haven't played it.
There's so many things in wow that just keeps you busy just for the sake of it.

Wanna traverse? Finish the campaign first or no flight for you. Run on a ground mount, get dazed, get mounted off, you have to kill a mob and spend your time fighting. Wanna pick a node, clear the mob first. Almost killed the mob? Oh look, it runs off and aggros his friends. Wanna raid? Here's 20 mob packs to clear before you can even try that boss. And the best is, it respawns after 5 trys \o/
Wanna do questing? An estimated 80% of quests involve, you guessed it, fighting mobs that pose no threat to you other steal your time, often involved with low quest item drop chances so you can fight even more mobs. Hell, even quests that just need you to pick up certain items have roaming, fast respawning mobs that take even more off your time. Same applied to dailies.
And on top of that they even cap every single thing in the game so you don't overgrind. And if you dare to take off a month or two, you're miles behind in terms of artifact power/soul ash/whatever token.

I don't mind grinding, but it should be in a way that makes it interesting. Gimme small rewards inbetween. Gimmicks, Emotes, Glam, whatever. But to me, a relic weapon should be easily accessible and usable. Lock certain glams for it behind achievements or something, but the item itself shouldn't be hidden behind a grind of the Bozja magnitude.

But hey, I know i'm probably alone with this sentiment.

[Reinha]

I just started getting the remaining ARR relics I don't have yet and it's so nice to be doing a relic quest again. The now nerfed ARR quest has a perfect balance of providing something to do but not too much grinding. To bad I can't get one for half the existing jobs because the devs never bothered adding older relic weapons for them.

The manderville relic is not even in my mind anymore. I just dump my tomes and buy some rocks when I'm about to hit cap. It's also hard to get excited about the DT relic knowing that we're not getting a proper relic quest like in ARR/HW.

[Raoabolic]

Crying about grind in an MMO is like crying about the first person perspective in a FPS. Oh well, no subscription left behind and all that, lmao.

[Saraide]

Should of made the relic 660 ilvl and make people actually do savage content better yet make the high end raiders feel rewarded rather then wait to have it replaced,
Do savage or spend 6000 tomes, a massive slap in the face to all people who did the tier. Be proud casual Players you don't deserve it.

Several things:
did you do savage only for the gear upgrade?
do you think a 5 ilvl reduction would matter?
are you aware ~7months have passed since the last savage tier came out?

[NekoMataMata]

If they played as hard as they cried, they would have all the relics from every expansion and ARR by now.

Guess it wouldn't shock you to know that as someone who started in ShB and is playing catch up, I'm working on that.

Have all ARR relics, all HW relics, putting Eureka off for now(have completed the storyline though and will grind eventually), and am currently 3/17 Bozja relics.

All while most likely touching more grass/snow than you do since when I log in because I actually play the game instead of staring at my screen drooling.