I'm bored when I heal because I need more complex DPS rotations

[Nabril]

Over 50 pages of "I want more complex rotations, but I'm not going to ever discuss what I mean by that or provide an example so... just give me more complex rotations!"

Do you want 72 buttons to push all in random order?
Do you want to have to do calculations in your head so that you'll know which button to push next based on what damage you did with the last one? 4,284 / 28* 74 *the cube root of (85345 * pi / 25) so I must hit... X... aw damn... too late on that one.

What do you mean by complex rotations? PlayStation controllers only have so many buttons. Do you want to be forced to upgrade to a keyboard so you have more buttons to push at the same time at certain times really fast in order to perform some ultra maga combination of keys that unlock a massive move after 14 such combos have been successfully done in order?

What do you consider a complex DPS rotation?

Groups must be pressed at once or it fails
HAT4
HAWO
HK4C
KPD3
Then you get access to your next rotation group...
All must be done while moving in 4 seconds.

What do you mean by complex rotations?

[Nabril]

We don't want our DPS rotations to be just pressing 1 button ad nauseam. How the developers achieve that is up to them. I personally don't care whether it is to reduce downtime between healing or whether they give us a few more buttons to press in downtime. Stormblood SCH was in a much better state DPS wise - if some of those elements came back, it would reduce the monotony (and the point is that they've already achieved this before).

I wouldn't mind losing some of my healing buttons to make space for the DPS buttons. A lot of these buttons don't have meaningful differences, and I am okay with using more GCD heals to keep up with the damage.

Realistically, they'll never manage to increase healing requirements to make current healers useful in anything but the hardest content. This is why I a slightly more interesting DPS rotation is a better solution.

Name me one job that just pushes one button. Name me one. Sure as hell aren't any I've played. Not one job just hits one button. You're lying and exaggerating.

[CaptainLagbeard]

Name me one job that just pushes one button. Name me one. Sure as hell aren't any I've played. Not one job just hits one button. You're lying and exaggerating.

Well, yea. You're right. Healers don't just press one button. We have a DoT as well, so that's two buttons.

[Mithron]

Well, yea. You're right. Healers don't just press one button. We have a DoT as well, so that's two buttons.

Unless you're a SGE, in which you get 4 buttons with Phlegma and Eukrasia. Which is why Yoship said healers that want to DPS should play SGE. Because you press four buttons sometimes instead of 2.

[ty_taurus]

Name me one job that just pushes one button. Name me one. Sure as hell aren't any I've played. Not one job just hits one button. You're lying and exaggerating.

I can name you four:

Is that literally just pushing one button? No. But the fact that all four of these jobs press one button more than every other button on their hotbar combined is a disgrace. And that's P12S for reference. Imagine how much higher the percentage of stupid filler attack spell use those same jobs see in easy content, or solo content. It's giving level 4 Black Mage.

[Aravell]

Is that literally just pushing one button? No. But the fact that all four of these jobs press one button more than every other button on their hotbar combined is a disgrace. And that's P12S for reference. Imagine how much higher the percentage of stupid filler attack spell use those same jobs see in easy content, or solo content. It's giving level 4 Black Mage.

There's been plenty of people trying the same line of "You're not literally pressing only one button", but that's incredibly dismissive of the very real issue. It's not only in savage, even in ultimates you're pressing 1 button 70-80% of the time. I honestly can't think of a single RPG where you press 1 button for 80% of your gameplay and it being considered good gameplay.

[ty_taurus]

There's been plenty of people trying the same line of "You're not literally pressing only one button", but that's incredibly dismissive of the very real issue. It's not only in savage, even in ultimates you're pressing 1 button 70-80% of the time. I honestly can't think of a single RPG where you press 1 button for 80% of your gameplay and it being considered good gameplay.

For reference (because I've seen this "um actually" counter argument before), When pushed to the wall, between 50%-60% of a good healer's total action usage is their neutral game DPS spell. 80%+ is referring to the healer's total GCD action usage, meaning it filters out OGCD healing and other OGCD tools. Because even when you are weaving OGCDs, your gameplay is still almost entirely 1 attack spell.

[Sebazy]

I can name you four:

I couldn't have said it better++

I've always felt like the healers are actually there to be low apm entry into savage prog. And if you don't like that gameplay then...play another job?

I didn't manage to quote this in time (yay for not logging on for 2 weeks, wonder why), AST kind of puts that theory clean to bed tbh, it's burst APM is right up there. SCH also used to be seriously high APM back in the day if you were willing to micro manage the fairy. I personally used pedals at one stage to drive the embrace spam.

A big part of why many people are so bitter about it at this stage is because of how far the entire role has regressed. The powerhouse SCHs or ASTs of old just have little to nothing left to work with anymore. Our depth consists of spreadsheeting healing plans with a co healer and following that. Running casual content? GLHF, there's just nothing to strive for or chase.

[Supersnow845]

I can name you four:

Is that literally just pushing one button? No. But the fact that all four of these jobs press one button more than every other button on their hotbar combined is a disgrace. And that's P12S for reference. Imagine how much higher the percentage of stupid filler attack spell use those same jobs see in easy content, or solo content. It's giving level 4 Black Mage.

I had a trigger happy medica 2 WHM in euphrosyne so didn’t need to do a single heal

https://imgur.com/a/DWbgO1B

This is what it looked like, barely 500 casts in a 30 minute raid, 70% of them broil, a spell that feels like a wet fart going off when it’s cast, how can anyone justify this as good design

I even mentioned that inside the raid, that it felt like garbage doing nothing but casting broil and I basically got told to play another job