I feel like i cant support Squex or cbu3 anymore

[MagiusNecros]

Vote with your wallet. Many have and when a cash shop exclusive outfit, mount or hairstyle appears the majority are probably gonna buy it.

Until everyone stops supporting the predatory practice it will continue and unfortunately gamers have already lost that battle. Like birds they will flock to that shiny thing that should of been unlockable ingame.

[Absurdity]

TL;DR. If you think FFXIV's cash shop is predatory, I'll show you Lost Ark's.

I'll raise you one better. Elsword. Where you have to buy your second hotbar from the cash shop! NO I AM NOT KIDDING! You get 4 skill slots by default and if you want the other 4, better whip out that credit card! And this isn't account wide by the way, you have to do this for EACH CHARACTER YOU MAKE!

Do we really want to compare XIV to the absolute bottom of the barrel when it comes to monetization?

[Hurlstone]

It's not really burnout though, it's boredom. Burnout would be when you played so much XIV every day that you, well, get burned out.

Finishing all the content that's supposed to last for 4.5 months in a week, or let's be very generous and say 2 weeks, with just casual playtime and then asking yourself what you're paying a monthly sub for is not burnout.

Thats a fair point, though I do still think burnout seems a little more common in video games then before haha.

Although I will ask, have these patches really been dry compared to past 0.X content? I get that field zones like Eureka and Bozja helped a lot, but even they had their limits. Can a game with such a wide playerbase really fill 4-5 months with non-stop things to do? Not trying to start a argument or anything, I too would love if they could add more things for us to do and its an issue the devs have hopefully understood, given we are getting another zone. I played from ARR to HW, and returned at the tail end of Shadow so I cannot really comment from much experiance, but 6.X just does not feel like this massive downgrade in things to do as some people have said. Some of the older MMOs I played felt like you would not really get any new content until an expansion or yearly update haha. Plus FFXIV has always been a game that does not feed on FOMO, and is the easiest to take breaks from. Some would see that as a positive.

Perhaps an issue at play is as you say, the fact that this is a sub game, so people feel they are obliged to play more then they would. Plus things like the fear of loosing ones house if you unsubscribe, which is a real crappy sword to hang over peoples head and another reason why housing should be rebuilt from the ground up. I do wonder somtimes if that payment model should perhaps be changed, but the only alternatives would make the Store issues look like civil chit-chat.

[OgruMogru]

Thats a fair point, though I do still think burnout seems a little more common in video games then before haha.

Although I will ask, have these patches really been dry compared to past 0.X content? I get that field zones like Eureka and Bozja helped a lot, but even they had their limits. Can a game with such a wide playerbase really fill 4-5 months with non-stop things to do? Not trying to start a argument or anything, I too would love if they could add more things for us to do and its an issue the devs have hopefully understood, given we are getting another zone. I played from ARR to HW, and returned at the tail end of Shadow so I cannot really comment from much experiance, but 6.X just does not feel like this massive downgrade in things to do as some people have said. Some of the older MMOs I played felt like you would not really get any new content until an expansion or yearly update haha. Plus FFXIV has always been a game that does not feed on FOMO, and is the easiest to take breaks from. Some would see that as a positive.

Perhaps an issue at play is as you say, the fact that this is a sub game, so people feel they are obliged to play more then they would. Plus things like the fear of loosing ones house if you unsubscribe, which is a real crappy sword to hang over peoples head and another reason why housing should be rebuilt from the ground up. I do wonder somtimes if that payment model should perhaps be changed, but the only alternatives would make the Store issues look like civil chit-chat.

Nothing will plug a 4-6 month empty period but a proper relic grind, an exploratory zone, a moogletome event and a reason to repeat variant/criterion for something fun would go a hell of a long way. Passive relic "grind" and checking the island retainer once a week for the next 6 months is really not cutting it. Hell how about for the next 4 - 6 months we get another old unreal unlocked again so they're not just rotting and inaccessible? Rotate a second one on a monthly basis, have a daily or weekly dungeon that gives more rewards or an extra challenge or SOMETHING

[Kes13a]

you are free to tell me to unsub, leave give you my gil all the ususal toxic rubbish, but i wonder; how, you- the people who DO feel this way continue to justify youre support of FFXIV
and im not asking that in a mean way.. im asking it legitimatley. how DO you do it

since you are not leaving anyway...

I still support the game because I enjoy playing it. I think the subscription is well worth the 50 cents a day it costs to play it. I will continue to support it while I feel that way.

its really that simple. they are a company and will continue to do company things. like any company, they try to increase or optimize revenue. not going to sit here and defend their company policy, but since its keeping teh lights on for a game I enjoy... its livable.

enjoy monster hunter, hopefully they manage to keep you entertained when you "leave"

[Krokov]

At the moment only game I can think of (though there's more I'm sure) that doesn't really have any FOMO is Final Fantasy XI. There are log- in bonuses that you can miss if you don't log in to it, but That is mostly cosmetic items and fun trinkets. I will agree that it is dumb, that they have the go in to your house every forty five days or you'll lose it.

I play it because I find enjoyment in it. There are times I get bored. Yes, and that there is nothing to do I do something else but I do find enjoyment in it when I have the feeling or the urge to play. And really, that's all that should matter, if someone finds enjoyment in the game for whatever reason then all the power to them.

[Hurlstone]

Nothing will plug a 4-6 month empty period but a proper relic grind, an exploratory zone, a moogletome event and a reason to repeat variant/criterion for something fun would go a hell of a long way. Passive relic "grind" and checking the island retainer once a week for the next 6 months is really not cutting it. Hell how about for the next 4 - 6 months we get another old unreal unlocked again so they're not just rotting and inaccessible? Rotate a second one on a monthly basis, have a daily or weekly dungeon that gives more rewards or an extra challenge or SOMETHING

Agreed, especially with Variant dungeons. I love the ones we have had and the idea behind them (more challenging solo content please!) but the rewards really feels like it needs tweaking to be more viable and replayable. They should do more Moogletomb events too, or even make it a permanent thing with the rewards/challenges rotating every few months.

[StarRosie]

Do we really want to compare XIV to the absolute bottom of the barrel when it comes to monetization?

No, the thing is that XIV's cash shop in comparison is just...nothing. OP calls it predatory, but it's not. Comparing it to actually predatory cash shops, shows that. As I said, if the XIV cash shop offered things like a crit booster or something. I'd be upset and banging the drum alongside OP. But, the overall thing is that nothing in XIV's cash shop is mandatory. None of it is required to play the game, while in something like Elsword, if you want to use all 8 buttons...you HAVE to buy it off the cash shop. THAT is predatory. And that's why we bring them up. (Small aside, I have not touched that dumpster fire in years. But when I was a younger idiot and did play it? That was how it worked. I don't know if they changed it recently or not but...from my memory. That is how things worked.)

[Turtledeluxe]

Predatory is valid in context because devs know the people defending the game, the hardcore base, sits around in Limsa emoting. There is nothing else to really do unless you're a tiny minority that progs Ultimates.

[strawberrycake]

So I've bought a few mounts from the Cash shop, Specifically Sleipnir, and SDS Fenrir, mainly cuz Odin is my favorite summons in the series, and I'm a huge FF7 fan. Anything else from the shop has strictly been gifted to me. When I bought these mounts XIV was less popular and I didn't mind as much, they could have used to extra cash. But now a days I stay far away from the cash shop due to it being very predatory.

The issue with SE as a company is they've always been this money hungry, and the issue with CBU3, is that they treat XIV like it's still that game that was on life suppourt. Mix them both together and here we are, the Cash shops very VERY heavy use by the company and the manipulation of impluse buyers. It's very much a disgusting practice and something I dislike a lot.

All of this being said there sadly aren't many other game companies that make games like this. The goal is to show them what we want changed and push for it despite people who would rather just sit back and watch and then cry when things are actually dire.

And for anyone saying it's not Predatory, Yoshida Allowed the SDS fenrir to be the fastest ground mount and promoted it for expansion launches multiple times lmfao. That is infact predatory and also contributes to why servers are shit on launch, people find this out from FC mates and people in game and rush to buy it since regular mounts are slow as shit until we get flying. It may be one mount, but it's still predatory af.

And given SEs track record for monetization it's only a matter of time before they give other things this treatment. Yoshida is already on record saying he hates being on the board and that they care more about money then games. When and if SE WANTs to push more predatory content onto the shop, they will.