I feel like i cant support Squex or cbu3 anymore

[Delily]

ngl.. im just sick of seeing things in the game getting worse, the quality of content lowering, the amount of content lessening, the gap between content getting wider and the new expansion information being fragmented and not having much to it.. (no release date, no job action trailer.. 3 trails before the final one) all for the sake of drawing things out, or delaying things to not be called out

the cashshop has become predatory to the point where it feels like they respond to players begging for content by adding new cash glam or $400 figures with predatory emotes.

im starting to look at this company, this game.. and feel disgust in the place where i used to feel respect for them having built this game up so well. Im currently playing monster Hunter world, and im asking myself.. am i excited for dawntrail, yea.. but im also kinda repulsed by it too. cause the idea of giving them more money to keep predating on players in a way that now feels kinda dispicable.

you are free to tell me to unsub, leave give you my gil all the ususal toxic rubbish, but i wonder; how, you- the people who DO feel this way continue to justify youre support of FFXIV
and im not asking that in a mean way.. im asking it legitimatley. how DO you do it

TL;DR. If you think FFXIV's cash shop is predatory, I'll show you Lost Ark's.

[StarRosie]

TL;DR. If you think FFXIV's cash shop is predatory, I'll show you Lost Ark's.

I'll raise you one better. Elsword. Where you have to buy your second hotbar from the cash shop! NO I AM NOT KIDDING! You get 4 skill slots by default and if you want the other 4, better whip out that credit card! And this isn't account wide by the way, you have to do this for EACH CHARACTER YOU MAKE!

how DO you do it

By ignoring it. None of it is required to play the game. It's all optional. It's not like they sell 24 hour crit boosters that double your crit chance and damage for the day. If it was stuff like that, I'd bang the drums of this being predatory and BS. But as it is now? It's just cosmetics that are optional and in my opinion, a lot of them aren't that great...save for the shoes. Wish I could just buy those separately, but oh well.

[Absurdity]

TL;DR. If you think FFXIV's cash shop is predatory, I'll show you Lost Ark's.

I'll raise you one better. Elsword. Where you have to buy your second hotbar from the cash shop! NO I AM NOT KIDDING! You get 4 skill slots by default and if you want the other 4, better whip out that credit card! And this isn't account wide by the way, you have to do this for EACH CHARACTER YOU MAKE!

Do we really want to compare XIV to the absolute bottom of the barrel when it comes to monetization?

[StarRosie]

Do we really want to compare XIV to the absolute bottom of the barrel when it comes to monetization?

No, the thing is that XIV's cash shop in comparison is just...nothing. OP calls it predatory, but it's not. Comparing it to actually predatory cash shops, shows that. As I said, if the XIV cash shop offered things like a crit booster or something. I'd be upset and banging the drum alongside OP. But, the overall thing is that nothing in XIV's cash shop is mandatory. None of it is required to play the game, while in something like Elsword, if you want to use all 8 buttons...you HAVE to buy it off the cash shop. THAT is predatory. And that's why we bring them up. (Small aside, I have not touched that dumpster fire in years. But when I was a younger idiot and did play it? That was how it worked. I don't know if they changed it recently or not but...from my memory. That is how things worked.)

[Turtledeluxe]

Predatory is valid in context because devs know the people defending the game, the hardcore base, sits around in Limsa emoting. There is nothing else to really do unless you're a tiny minority that progs Ultimates.

[StarRosie]

Predatory is valid in context because devs know the people defending the game, the hardcore base, sits around in Limsa emoting. There is nothing else to really do unless you're a tiny minority that progs Ultimates.

...No, it's not. I know you are trying to invent context where you're right. But you're not right, and you know it. I normally try not to say stuff like this, but please take this "The only people in the game are emoting people in Limsa" narrative, and shove it. Just, genuinely shove it because there are plenty of examples that just prove your narrative wrong. There are plenty of people doing glam farm parties, MINE runs of EX and Savage content, working on crafter relics, grinding older relics, or people just starting the game and going through MSQ. Hell, two days ago I was in a double decker hunt train that consisted of 100+ people. You can look all over and see this stuff plain as day. I know you ignore it all, but just because you ignore it, doesn't mean it's not there. So, sure...in your made up fantasy context. It's predatory. But in actual reality...it's not.

And for anyone saying it's not Predatory, Yoshida Allowed the SDS fenrir to be the fastest ground mount and promoted it for expansion launches multiple times lmfao. That is infact predatory and also contributes to why servers are shit on launch, people find this out from FC mates and people in game and rush to buy it since regular mounts are slow as shit until we get flying. It may be one mount, but it's still predatory af.

The Fenrir is only the "Fastest ground mount in the game" until you buy a riding map. Then every other mount in the game is as fast as the Fenrir. Because all the Fenrir does is get the riding map speed boost early. No, it doesn't get an extra boost when you buy a riding map. The reason for this isn't that Yoshi-p "Allowed it", he specifically asked for this to be a thing because he believed it would look really stupid for the SDS Fenrir to move at basic mount speeds. But...here's the thing, the thing that makes it not predatory at all. It's not mandatory. It's optional. You can choose not to get the Fenrir and just enjoy the hundreds of other mounts in the game. Ya know, like I've done since the SDS Fenrir was released.

[strawberrycake]

Riding maps are not available at release of any expansion and require grinding to get them, him promoting it is predatory as it could just be in game, They could LITERALLY just make our company chocobos faster naturally.

Also saying it's not mandatory, thats like saying, oh there gambling in the game but it's not mandatory, theres a reason the EU is going through hell to get this shit removed from all game lmfao. You're expecting people in XIV to have self control, when they can't even control themselves to not attack the devs over new races? Sad to say it but this does all fall into the companies lap. They are preying on people. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not true.

And this isn;t the first time SE has preyed on it's consumers, Looks at all of their gatcha games.

Another Example, DE, Makers of Warframe where you could literally pull a crank for 1 dollar and reskin your Kubrow, people would pull the crank and spend MASSIve amounts of money. Tey removed it the same week. Was it peoples choice to do something for a cosmetic? Yes. But it was predatory.

[Turtledeluxe]

...No, it's not. I know you are trying to invent context where you're right. But you're not right, and you know it. I normally try not to say stuff like this, but please take this "The only people in the game are emoting people in Limsa" narrative, and shove it. Just, genuinely shove it because there are plenty of examples that just prove your narrative wrong. There are plenty of people doing glam farm parties, MINE runs of EX and Savage content, working on crafter relics, grinding older relics, or people just starting the game and going through MSQ. Hell, two days ago I was in a double decker hunt train that consisted of 100+ people. You can look all over and see this stuff plain as day. I know you ignore it all, but just because you ignore it, doesn't mean it's not there. So, sure...in your made up fantasy context. It's predatory. But in actual reality...it's not.

So what you are saying is, people progging the same old content from patches ago, wearing Glam that is probably half from the store, grinding the same dold content, and doing hunt trains which is one of the most mind numbing easy and boring content to ever exist. No wonder.so many people sit in Limsa emoting.

Which is why I said it...nothing to really do because it's mostly old, repeatable grinds that are boring or trains which are mega boring. Then you have your % that does high end.