I feel like i cant support Squex or cbu3 anymore

[Junepi93]

I agree to an extent, but I think it extends to ALL of gaming as a whole. Games are more predatory and greedy. They take and take and take. I agree that in a monthly subscription game ALL content should be in the game free of charge.

Companies take, and like all the comments say here people give in and say "well they are a company!" Then companies will take a little more and the cycle repeats. Everything costs an arm and a leg now, with in game this and gamepass here and 9.99 a day for this and a battle pass within the battle pass.

With that said, I don't think Square is one of the crazy ones just yet. I feel the quality of the game is still great and the developers have a passion for the game.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

no they dont, the shb job action trailer was shown at fanfest and that was 6 minths pre expansion. so dont talk rubbish

The SHB one was mid covid and everything about that FanFest was different.


You clearly weren't around for the 2014, 2016, or 2018 fanfests. Those were like this one. Split in 3 for the different regions and no Job trailers until the media tours/just before expansion launch.

[Jeeqbit]

no they dont, the shb job action trailer was shown at fanfest and that was 6 months pre expansion. so dont talk rubbish

March 23, 2019 - Final Fan Fest
May 24, 2019 - Shadowbringers Job Actions Trailer
July 2, 2019 - Shadowbringers Release Date

As you can see, it was released 2 months after the last Fan Fest. It was released 1 month before Shadowbringers released.

Endwalker's Job Action trailer released 1 month before Endwalker as well.

May 15, 2021 - Digital Fan Fest (due to covid)
Sep 18, 2021 - Endwalker Job Actions Trailer
December 7, 2021 - Endwalker Release Date

The Job Actions trailer for Dawntrail will also release 1 month before Dawntrail, as is standard.

[CStrife912]

March 23, 2019 - Final Fan Fest
May 24, 2019 - Shadowbringers Job Actions Trailer
July 2, 2019 - Shadowbringers Release Date

As you can see, it was released 2 months after the last Fan Fest. It was released 1 month before Shadowbringers released.

Endwalker's Job Action trailer released 1 month before Endwalker as well.

May 15, 2021 - Digital Fan Fest (due to covid)
Sep 18, 2021 - Endwalker Job Actions Trailer
December 7, 2021 - Endwalker Release Date

The Job Actions trailer for Dawntrail will also release 1 month before Dawntrail, as is standard.

Please stop writing so much sense this OP won't comprehend it and goalpost shift just to seem right at this point lol

[Myrany]

ngl.. im just sick of seeing things in the game getting worse, the quality of content lowering, the amount of content lessening, the gap between content getting wider and the new expansion information being fragmented and not having much to it.. (no release date, no job action trailer.. 3 trails before the final one) all for the sake of drawing things out, or delaying things to not be called out

the cashshop has become predatory to the point where it feels like they respond to players begging for content by adding new cash glam or $400 figures with predatory emotes.

im starting to look at this company, this game.. and feel disgust in the place where i used to feel respect for them having built this game up so well. Im currently playing monster Hunter world, and im asking myself.. am i excited for dawntrail, yea.. but im also kinda repulsed by it too. cause the idea of giving them more money to keep predating on players in a way that now feels kinda dispicable.

you are free to tell me to unsub, leave give you my gil all the ususal toxic rubbish, but i wonder; how, you- the people who DO feel this way continue to justify youre support of FFXIV
and im not asking that in a mean way.. im asking it legitimatley. how DO you do it

I view the cash shop as entirely optional. So I don't really care what they put on it as long as what is there does not give a serious in game advantage.

As for dawntrail and the game in general. 1. I am still having fun on a daily basis and 2. I still have a HUGE list of things I want to do in the game. It is one of the advantages of my rather slow paced, squirreling off in different directions, I am in no rush sort of play style.

[Sensui]

Having a job/going to school/only having 2 hrs a night or weekends to play definitely helps you pace. You don't "have" to clear/grind everything in the first week.

[Myrany]

Having a job/going to school/only having 2 hrs a night or weekends to play definitely helps you pace. You don't "have" to clear/grind everything in the first week.

Exactly! There is no reason to rush.

[Halivel]

I've stated this in another thread, but personally I see nothing bad in Mog Station existing (sub alone, which didn't raise since 2013, isn't enough to provide enough budget to keep the game aflow, let's be real here. Servers alone are helluva expensive to maintain, saying that as a developer in a huge company and our servers are hardly cheap for us, they're a very significant percentage of our expenses).

And in case with recent figurine my issue is less the price (nothing necessarily wrong with it by itself) and more so the fact that the quality of their mesiter figures dropped significantly (when it never was exactly premium to begin with) while the price is almost double from what it was. If the figure actually looked like it costs at least 2/3 the money they ask for it, I wouldn't have even batted an eye.

I also honestly think that they should add old emotes from figures to the shop - their meister line doesn't normally get any reprints, and it's several years since release. Why not get some additional money? People will buy it from Mog Station (I know I would at least get Odin and Shiva ones if they were available digitally).

Otherwise I honestly don't care much what they put on shop so long as it's just cosmetics and nothing what would otherwise put other players at a disadvantage (no, I do not count skip books and additional retainers as a "p2w" category items). Some of them I even buy if I like them enough, and then proceed to have fun in game, much as I did since 2014 when I started.

[Musashidon]

I've stated this in another thread, but personally I see nothing bad in Mog Station existing (sub alone, which didn't raise since 2013, isn't enough to provide enough budget to keep the game aflow, let's be real here. Servers alone are helluva expensive to maintain, saying that as a developer in a huge company and our servers are hardly cheap for us, they're a very significant percentage of our expenses).

i will say from my thoughts, its less about how much it costs to run the game as if they sold 2.5million copies of endwalker collectors edition plus has had over 1million active subs for 2 years they easily paid for their next expansion and upkeep costs.

it's more on the lines of FF11 was considered one of their best money makers ever with ff14 now the next biggest and it has been left to die when it still has a active sub base and can be updated for more subs.

the cash shop supplements funds for other projects that SE wants to do and without it they will most assuredly let 14 die just like 11.

[Avoidy]

Story/Level skips are gross.
Forcing people to buy an entire fullpriced set instead of just a single piece of an outfit for a discounted price is gross.
Saying you can't do accountwide outfits because of "server limitations" is gross and obviously just them wanting to milk alt players some more. If you believe them, I have a bridge to sell you.
Triple dipping on the buytoplay + subscription + cash shop monetization is gross.
Releasing cash shop mounts, outfits, and emotes that really -really- fit the game's recent themes makes people think you designed it for the game and then repurposed it at the last minute to make more money (for example the eden dog mount that many people reasonably expected would be a BLU reward and turned out to be cash shop exclusive, or the cruise chaser mount, or the countless emotes released during periods of 4 month content droughts, or the matoya hat that could've been from a matoya quest but is instead locked behind an encyclopedia purchase).
Nerfing /doze to make it impossible for players to lie down anywhere unless they purchase an emote that lets them playdead was scummy. Citing issues about cybersex as the reason, while allowing lewd cafe venues to just exist in the partyfinder 24/7, is more evidence that the reason they give is just BS and all they want is your dosh.
400 dollar statue emotes in a b2p+subscription+cash shop game is foul.
The fact that fantasias cost anything at all when everyone already pays monthly, is disgusting. Even in Black Desert Online, a kMMO known for being greedy, if you pay monthly for the premium sub you can change your appearance whenever you want.
Putting old event items behind a paywall instead of just letting people redo old events when that event rolls around again, sucks for pretty much anyone new to the game.

There are things in this game I enjoy, but the way money is squeezed from players in various ways, often at the game's expense, is really really gross. We could have so many glams in the game, so many more emotes and hairstyles, and seasonal events could contain a backlog of the last 10 years worth of that event, but instead we're denied all of that so square can make a little extra money and use it to fund some trash new AAA experience that nobody buys because it's locked to a console nobody wants. I expect this sort of thing when I play a f2p game because the cash shop is their only monetization route. Not so much from a b2p+monthly sub game. But if you boycott, well, just look around. There're so many people who bought the 400 dollar figurine that they actually sold out within minutes. The MMO genre gets what it deserves. All of the things I described in my post are just "normal" in the genre now because people accepted them as they happened and shelled out money for them long before XIV was even a concept. It paved the way for this BS we're dealing with now. Like a frog that's boiled slowly, people respond to these threads with tepid replies like "that's just how it's always been" or "what do you expect? they have to make money" as if they aren't already making money from you ever month, etc. I just ignore it, enjoy the things I like, and log off. I don't believe the mmo genre will get any better. I think gaming as a whole is kind of doomed.