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    Quote Originally Posted by Cleretic View Post
    I'm scared of a world where a child's nightmares can become real.
    I'm scared of the world where the Behemoth is celebrated as an achievement.
    The more faults we have to invent for the Ascians' world, the more we just point out the faults in Sundered world.

    You're scared of a world where a child's nightmares can become real, but the adults in that world have dreams aplenty that can put it back to bed.

    You're scared of a world where nature is so powerful that things like the Behemoth are considered a good addition to it that will balance it. How much more scary its natural order must have been! But a far finer addition to any world than a gunship the size of an aircraft carrier, or the cannons that line the Ruby Sea bay outside Hingashi.

    You're scared of a world that's so accepting that it allows people to eschew its own customs without punishing them, and your favorite Ancient Venat is proof of that.

    You're scared of a world where everyone has the potential to cause great pain, but almost everyone chooses not to do such things, and instead battles each other with ideas. Well, prior to their Final Days driven Civil War, anyway.

    You're scared of having a power that would let you share your soul with others so directly that you could not be misunderstood, should you choose to do so. I can only envy such a wonderful power.

    But emotions, which fear is, are not exactly rational anyway, so I suppose I can't fault you for that.

    Nowhere is perfect. Amaurot was not perfect. But it excelled in ways we can only dream of. Post war, post scarcity, and conservationally minded in the extreme. Global Warming? Climate Change? Never heard of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyrerus View Post
    You're scared of a world where everyone has the potential to cause great pain, but almost everyone chooses not to do such things, and instead battles each other with ideas. Well, prior to their Final Days driven Civil War, anyway.
    Is it confirmed anywhere that disagreement over the third sacrifice caused an actual civil war and not just arguing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady_Silvermoon View Post
    Is it confirmed anywhere that disagreement over the third sacrifice caused an actual civil war and not just arguing?
    Most English references say that an ideological divide gave way to open conflict and a final battle between Hydaelyn and Zodiark of a like usually found only in myth, but in French we have...

    Hythlodaeus
    Pour la première fois de son histoire, l'humanité était divisée en deux camps se livrant une guerre sans merci...
    For the first time in its history, humanity was divided into two camps waging a merciless war...
    I wouldn't say it was focused specifically on the third sacrifice, though. That was one part of a larger whole, the trend of trading more and more sacrifices (out of less and less true necessity) in a futile effort to restore "a past that could never be restored" (see: Unending Journey). It was a snowball at the core of which was the refusal to give new life and future generations a say in the way forward, aiming to reclaim the past even if it meant the "stewards of the planet" sacrificing the things they swore to be caretakers of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymoose View Post
    Most English references say that an ideological divide gave way to open conflict and a final battle between Hydaelyn and Zodiark of a like usually found only in myth, but in French we have...

    I wouldn't say it was focused specifically on the third sacrifice, though. That was one part of a larger whole, the trend of trading more and more sacrifices (out of less and less true necessity) in a futile effort to restore "a past that could never be restored" (see: Unending Journey). It was a snowball at the core of which was the refusal to give new life and future generations a say in the way forward, aiming to reclaim the past even if it meant the "stewards of the planet" sacrificing the things they swore to be caretakers of.
    I've always been a little surprised that people didn't think there was any vocal opposition at all outside of Venat. Logically speaking, if your game plan is to sacrifice the lives of people who support you, then every time you do that, you're only losing supporters and the percentage of the population that's against you is only going to be proportionally larger. Surely after you burn through 75% of the population, the remaining 25% probably consists of a lot of people who aren't your supporters.

    I don't like double-posting, but these really are just entirely separate points and this should be allowed to stand separately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyrerus View Post
    You're scared of a world where a child's nightmares can become real, but the adults in that world have dreams aplenty that can put it back to bed.
    This is only a comfort if I'm closer to the adults than the child when it happens. And if I trust the adults.

    You're scared of a world where nature is so powerful that things like the Behemoth are considered a good addition to it that will balance it. How much more scary its natural order must have been! But a far finer addition to any world than a gunship the size of an aircraft carrier, or the cannons that line the Ruby Sea bay outside Hingashi.
    I'm actually scared of the Behemoth because the thought process that led to it was someone wanting to make an apex predator. Someone decided 'I'm going to win at the food chain', and everyone's okay with it. I don't like a gunship either, but at least that takes more effort and has a more deliberate purpose.

    You're scared of a world that's so accepting that it allows people to eschew its own customs without punishing them, and your favorite Ancient Venat is proof of that.
    My favorite Ancient is Athena.

    You're scared of a world where everyone has the potential to cause great pain, but almost everyone chooses not to do such things, and instead battles each other with ideas. Well, prior to their Final Days driven Civil War, anyway.
    My worry isn't just about people doing things intentionally: it's people doing it accidentally. Which we have multiple examples of.

    You're scared of having a power that would let you share your soul with others so directly that you could not be misunderstood, should you choose to do so. I can only envy such a wonderful power.
    I'm not scared of having the power of expression; I like art. I'm scared of having power that could hurt, especially when I may not be able to control it; it's why I don't drive.

    Nowhere is perfect. Amaurot was not perfect. But it excelled in ways we can only dream of. Post war, post scarcity, and conservationally minded in the extreme. Global Warming? Climate Change? Never heard of it.
    Thavnair doesn't know what climate change is, either.
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